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why me wrote:
I hope that you are not referring to me. You posted a mocking post about the I am a Mormon series and I responded. Get over it. In the beginning of Mormonism, there was mocking too. And then the mocking turned to something more violent. There is a progression.

Now your mistake was more or less claiming the the protestants of your own faith are tolerant. I pointed out to you that protestants were burning down Mormon homes in the 1830's and in the 1840s. They were not very tolerant of difference. Thus, your problem.


I wonder if, had Who Me been a 19th-century Mormon, he would have participated in the rapes of the dead and dying Methodist women in the Fancher party.
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Thank you.

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2 Tim 4:3 For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine.
2 Tim 4:4 They will turn their ears away from the truth & turn aside to myths
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Thank you for just pointing ouut stupid behavior, Stem. It's clear that this is unimportant to you.
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Buffalo wrote:I wonder if, had Who Me been a 19th-century Mormon, he would have participated in the rapes of the dead and dying Methodist women in the Fancher party.


Well, I don't know. If I were a Mormon back then, and if I had a couple homes burned down by crazy mobs because of my beliefs and if I lost a wife or child and I was just a little fearful of outsiders because of it because I had experienced trauma for my ordeals who knows just what the mind can do, especially when some antimormons in california were threatening to come out to my area to again burn out the Mormons.

I would hope that I would still have a healthy mind and just mind my own business.
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MsJack wrote:You know perfectly well that I am, and I've already refuted your pathetic attempts at self-justification (here, here, here and here) over on the other thread that you seem to be hiding from now that your buddies at MDDB failed to rescue you on the temple-marriage-commandment question.


If you say so. But you did mock the I am a Mormon campaign in that post by bringing in your husband, right?
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why me wrote:
Buffalo wrote:I wonder if, had Who Me been a 19th-century Mormon, he would have participated in the rapes of the dead and dying Methodist women in the Fancher party.


Well, I don't know. If I were a Mormon back then, and if I had a couple homes burned down by crazy mobs because of my beliefs and if I lost a wife or child and I was just a little fearful of outsiders because of it because I had experienced trauma for my ordeals who knows just what the mind can do, especially when some antimormons in california were threatening to come out to my area to again burn out the Mormons.

I would hope that I would still have a healthy mind and just mind my own business.

Looks like a definite "maybe."
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MsJack wrote: (here, here, here and here) over on the other thread that you seem to be hiding from now that your buddies at MDDB failed to rescue you on the temple-marriage-commandment question.


I don't think so. I see the matter has one of opinion. The point is Jack is that one can get married outside the temple and be treated as an equal by all concerned. People find themselves in all sorts of situations. As you mentioned in your mocking post, your husband was never disciplined for marrying outside the temple or for his ear piercing. Why? Because it is not a sin.
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Morley wrote:
I would hope that I would still have a healthy mind and just mind my own business.

Looks like a definite "maybe."[/quote]

I don't condone what they did. But I do try to understand the context and fraility of the human mind. If these Mormons were experiencing trauma from the past, a lawyer could make a case for them.

Mormon STEREOTYPING AND THE CRUSADE AGAINST POLYGAMY (1847-1896). Settlement in the West provided welcome isolation for the Church, but public disclosure of the practice of polygamy in 1852 brought a new barrage of ridicule and a confrontation with the federal government.

The years from 1850 to 1890 were turbulent ones for the Church because reformers, ministers, and the press openly attacked the practice of polygamy. Opponents founded antipolygamy societies, and Congress passed antipolygamy legislation. Mormons were stereotyped as people who defied the law and were immoral. The clear aim of the judicial and political crusade against the Mormons was to destroy the Church. Only the 1890 manifesto, a statement by Church President Wilford Woodruff that abolished polygamy officially, pacified the government, allowing the return of confiscated Church property. Voluminous anti-Mormon writings, lectures, and cartoons at this time stereotyped the Church as a theocracy that defied the laws of conventional society; many portrayed its members as deluded and fanatical; and they alleged that polygamy, secret rituals, and blood Atonement were the theological underpinnings of the Church. The main motives were to discredit LDS belief, morally to reform a perceived evil, or to exploit the controversy for financial and political profit. The maligning tactics that were used included verbal attacks against Church leaders; caricatures in periodicals, magazines, and lectures; fictional inventions; and outright falsehoods.

Probably the most influential anti-Mormon work in this period was Pomeroy Tucker's Origin, Rise, and Progress of Mormonism (1867). A printer employed by E. B. Grandin, publisher of the Wayne Sentinel and printer of the first edition of the Book of Mormon, Tucker claimed to have been associated closely with Joseph Smith. He supported the Hurlbut-Howe charge that the Smiths were dishonest and alleged that they stole from their neighbors. However, he acknowledged that his insinuations were not "sustained by judicial investigation."

The Reverend M. T. Lamb's The Golden Bible or the Book of Mormon: Is It from God? (1887) ridiculed the Book of Mormon as "verbose, blundering, stupid,…improbable,…impossible,…[and] a foolish guess." He described the book as unnecessary and far inferior to the Bible, and he characterized those who believe the Book of Mormon as being misinformed.

Of fifty-six anti-Mormon novels published during the nineteenth century, four established a pattern for all of the others. The four were sensational, erotic novels focusing on the supposed plight of women in the Church. Alfreda Eva Bell's Boadicea, the Mormon Wife (1855) depicted Church members as "murderers, forgers, swindlers, gamblers, thieves, and adulterers!" Orvilla S. Belisle's Mormonism Unveiled (1855) had the heroine hopelessly trapped in a Mormon harem. Metta Victoria Fuller Victor's Mormon Wives (1856) characterized Mormons as a "horrid" and deluded people. Maria Ward (a pseudonym) depicted Mormon torture of women in Female Life Among the Mormons (1855). Authors wrote lurid passages designed to sell the publications. Excommunicated members tried to capitalize on their former membership in the Church to sell their stories. Fanny Stenhouse's Tell It All (1874) and Ann Eliza Young's Wife No. 19 (1876) sensationalized the polygamy theme. William Hickman sold his story to John H. Beadle, who exaggerated the danite myth in Brigham's Destroying Angel (1872) to caricature Mormons as a violent people.

Church leaders responded to these attacks and adverse publicity only through sermons and admonitions. They defended the Church's fundamental doctrine of revelation and authority from God. During the period of federal prosecution, the First Presidency condemned the acts against the Church by the U.S. Congress and Supreme Court as violations of the United States Constitution.


http://www.lightplanet.com/Mormons/resp ... ns_EOM.htm

A lot of crap from your counterparts over a hundrend years ago was happening back then. And then we have the war hysteria:

War hysteria
George A. Smith Apostle who met the Baker-Fancher party before touring Parowan and neighboring settlements prior to the massacre
Main article: War hysteria preceding the Mountain Meadows massacre

The Mountain Meadows massacre was caused in part by events relating to the Utah War, an 1857 deployment toward the Utah Territory of the United States Army, whose arrival was peaceful. In the summer of 1857, however, the Mormons expected an all-out invasion of apocalyptic significance. From July to September 1857, Mormon leaders and their followers prepared for a siege that could have ended up similar to the seven-year Bleeding Kansas problem occurring at the time. Mormons were required to stockpile grain, and were enjoined against selling grain to emigrants for use as cattle feed. As far-off Mormon colonies retreated, Parowan and Cedar City became isolated and vulnerable outposts. Brigham Young sought to enlist the help of Native American tribes in fighting the "Americans", encouraging them to steal cattle from emigrant trains, and to join Mormons in fighting the approaching army.[58]

Scholars have asserted that George A. Smith's tour of southern Utah influenced the decision to attack and destroy the Fancher–Baker emigrant train near Mountain Meadows, Utah. He met with many of the eventual participants in the massacre, including W. H. Dame, Isaac Haight, John D. Lee and Chief Jackson, leader of a band of Paiutes.[59] He noted that the militia was organized and ready to fight, and that some of them were eager to "fight and take vengeance for the cruelties that had been inflicted upon us in the States."[60] Among Smith's party were a number of Paiute Native American chiefs from the Mountain Meadows area. When Smith returned to Salt Lake, Brigham Young met with these leaders on September 1, 1857 and encouraged them to fight against the Americans in the anticipated clash with the U.S. Army. They were also offered all of the livestock then on the road to California, which included that belonging to the Baker–Fancher party. The Native American chiefs were reluctant, and at least one objected they had previously been told not to steal, and declined the offer.[6


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mountain_Meadows_massacre
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