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Re: I exclude you out of respect...

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just me wrote:
Yeah, I feel like his sexist excuse actually just highlighted it.


I suppose that your husbad should stop opening the door for you, if he is doing it. It can be looked upon as sexist. Or if there is only one umbrella and it is rather a small one at that, maybe he should use it himself and allow you to get wet since it was his umbrella. Why should he offer it to you?

The things men do for women out of politeness is now thought of to be sexist.
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This thread is one reason why I don't open the doors for ladies and allow them to go first anymore. Too many women would view me as sexist. But then again a man really can't win these days. If I don't hold the door open for a woman of my generation, I am an impolite monkey. If I do hold the door open, I am a sexist. However, women of my generation still expect a man to be gentlemanly so i do it. I would never do such things for women of the younger generations.

Oaks made a mistake in being a gentleman. He is from a different generation...the lost generation of gentlemen.
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Re: I exclude you out of respect...

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why me wrote:
just me wrote:
Yeah, I feel like his sexist excuse actually just highlighted it.


I suppose that your husbad should stop opening the door for you, if he is doing it. It can be looked upon as sexist. Or if there is only one umbrella and it is rather a small one at that, maybe he should use it himself and allow you to get wet since it was his umbrella. Why should he offer it to you?

The things men do for women out of politeness is now thought of to be sexist.


I am a woman who happens to open doors for men and women. It would be sexist to only open them for women. I especially open them for people who are carrying many items in their arms. I thought that was just common curtesy.

If a woman is a poor planner and doesn't plan for weather why on this green earth should a man who did plan ahead get all wet or cold???

Women aren't idiots anymore than men are. They can bring their own damn coat, their own damn umbrella and wear a damn pair of boots if there will be rain and mud.

It's "though of" as sexist because it is sexist by definition. But you already know that.

This exclusion wasn't about mud. Not for one second was it about mud.

Feel free to prove me wrong by finding me a temple groundbreaking where the Relief Society and/or Young Women were invited to participate in the actual groundbreaking ceremony. Show me that they are only excluded in muddy weather out of misguided chivalry. I'm sure you also noticed that lots of females grabbed up shovels to turn the earth AFTER the ceremony was over...muddy shoes did not seem to be a concern. Given that there was a lovely green carpet laid out it didn't even seem to be a problem.

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Oaks wasn't being Gentlemanly - if he was he would have laid his jacket down onto the mud (or provide some other footwear protection) to enable the women folk present to receive the blessings of participating in something he himself felt was such a significant experience.

No Oaks wasn't being gentlemanly.
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why me wrote:This thread is one reason why I don't open the doors for ladies and allow them to go first anymore. Too many women would view me as sexist. But then again a man really can't win these days. If I don't hold the door open for a woman of my generation, I am an impolite monkey. If I do hold the door open, I am a sexist. However, women of my generation still expect a man to be gentlemanly so i do it. I would never do such things for women of the younger generations.

Oaks made a mistake in being a gentleman. He is from a different generation...the lost generation of gentlemen.


Apparently, you and Oaks are exactly the same kind of gentlemen. Empty gestures for your own convenience.
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Whyme,

Your kind of "gentleman" behavior only infantilizes women. Your generation can keep its notions of gender roles because they disempower one sex and empower the other. You ought to embrace women as equals, and those women ought to have been part of the groundbreaking ceremony.

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why me wrote:
café crema wrote:
These ladies managed quite well, wearing white pumps and gloves to boot.


And these ladies too, seems women can manage to lift a ceremonial shovel full of dirt (does whyme understand no one is actually doing any construction work) without any detrimental effects to their shoes.


Add a little mud from rain and all will be well in those shoes that the women are wearing.


Aside from the sexism you displayed in the above comment, seems like all of these people's shoes survived the rain and mud. Oakes shoes are just fine from the experience.


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Damn feminists nipped in for a photo op whilst the Lord's annointed had his gentlemanly back turned.
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There's a woman right next to Eyring in the Philadelphia Temple groundbreaking ceremony here. Eyring was presiding there. She's got stylin' shoes, too.

Another woman next to Ronald A. Rasband (of the Seventy) who presided over the Phoenix, Arizona groundbreaking here.

Maybe this is just an Oaks thing.
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So not only do we have mopologetics, we now have sexist apologetics?

Way to go, why me. Don't let anyone stand in the way of the faith you've placed in gender bias.
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