Is this board hostile towards LDS posters...?

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Re: Is this board hostile towards LDS posters...?

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Themis wrote:
I do think DrW can be forceful with some of his opinions, and even I to some extent, can you show what utter nonsense he believes in. Another words CFR. :)


Hi Themis,

I'm confused (Imagine that!)
You are CFR-ing me on what nonsense DrW believes?

I'm lost?


Peace,
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MsJack wrote:Maybe you did. I wasn't paying attention to your entry onto this forum.

But you've whined about unprovoked hostilities from me, when in fact the hostilities I showed you were more than provoked.

Either way, I'm not interested in hearing any more of your ego apologetics. Give it up.


I know somehow saying you're wrong provoked your hostile side. I truly did not intend to provoke you. I sincerely didn't realize disagreein with you would provoke you.
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Re: Is this board hostile towards LDS posters...?

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The claims that this board is hostile to TBMs is overbown. It is puffed up by cries of victimization. It is a 21st Century manifestation of the LDS persecution complex.
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It's all about the numbers. Critics far outnumber TBMs / apologists here, and so critics can easily gang up on LDS posters. This is especially true when a "big name" apologist drops in, I've seen as many as five different posters badgering one LDS about five different things pretty regularly. It's not hard to imagine why LDS would feel this place is hostile.
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stemelbow wrote:I know somehow saying you're wrong provoked your hostile side. I truly did not intend to provoke you. I sincerely didn't realize disagreein with you would provoke you.

You win, stemelbow. Let's go over the first reply that started to provoke hostilities from me, piece-by-piece:

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stemelbow wrote:Oh brother.

A snort of derision. Opening up a post with "oh brother" is another way of saying, "I think you're being ridiculous."

stemelbow wrote:Having a pierced ear or a woman having a job is hardly along the same lines of drinking, smoking and sleeping with someone outside of marriage for LDS folks.

A straw man, but this part didn't offend me.

stemelbow wrote:I know you promote having a good to great understanding of LDS

Sneering at my knowledge of the LDS church.

stemelbow wrote:but his is a classic fail on your part.

In what universe is telling someone that they've engaged in "classic fail" considered polite? Really now, is that how your parents raised you?

stemelbow wrote:I'm sure your partners can even agree with me on that--well not publically as they don't do that here, but intheir head they will.

This part was just weird. I didn't know whether or not to be offended by it because I have no idea what you mean by my "partners." I asked you for clarification and you never provided it.

Overall, a mildly derisive, dismissive comment from you. My response to you was still civil, and I politely let you know that I thought you were being rude. To which you replied:

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stemelbow wrote:I'm not being rude. I'm just pointing out where you have come up short. Its helpful, or should be seen as helpful.

That was when I decided I was done with you. When I complain to someone that I think s/he is being rude, I expect it to be taken seriously, even if the person thinks s/he was not trying to be rude. Being rude is not simply about intentions, it's about perception. My daughter doesn't think she's being rude when she wanders to someone else's table at McDonald's and eats their fries, but trust me, I still scold her for it.

It isn't disagreement with me that provokes me. You can witness exchanges all over this forum where I disagree with people without being hostile with them. It's disagreeing with me while being an ass about it.

Spending a week trying to paint yourself as some kind of hapless victim and obsessively bringing the same thing up over and over again to me when it's clear that neither of us is going to budge and I've repeatedly expressed a desire to let the matter drop is definitely a good way to provoke me.

I don't know if you deserved everything you got when you first got here, stemelbow. But you certainly deserve most of what you're getting now.
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MsJack wrote:My daughter doesn't think she's being rude when she wanders to someone else's table at McDonald's and eats their fries, but trust me, I still scold her for it.


A couple of months ago, McDonald's ran a TV ad where a real hottie in her 20's does that to an older man otherwise alone at a table, and he's feeling really plused by the experience until her boyfriend comes back to their table next to the older man's and explains to him that is how he and the woman first met.

I couldn't help but conjure this image from my memory of the TV ad when you explained what your daughter does. Sorry.
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DrW wrote:IMHO, this board is no more hostile to LDS posters than any group of rational people who don't believe in nonsense would appear to any other group who do believe in nonsense, and are willing to defend their unfounded beliefs in public.

It is as simple as that.


I disagree. One can disagree without being hostile. This board is pretty mean and nasty to most believers. Though some of the TBM types who post are often rotten themselves to those who disagree as well as those like me who are doubters but still involved as anonymous hypocrites.

But take your post above. I understand your view but you can be rather condescending a snide in you approach. Calling something that is a integral part of who and what they are nonsense really does not foster non hostile discussions. I know you think science is the end all to end all and you may well be right. I agree religions relies on claims that cannot be empirically tested or in fact some claims can be empirically tested and be shown to be false based on the best data we have. Still humans are complex beings and do not always operate rationally, not only when it comes to religious beliefs but in other areas as well.

So no it is really not that simple though I expect you to disagree.
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Re: Is this board hostile towards LDS posters...?

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MsJack wrote:A snort of derision. Opening up a post with "oh brother" is another way of saying, "I think you're being ridiculous."


Well, that's overly dramatic. Its not a snort of derision. Its probably more along the lines of "I think you're being dramatic". Considering the context I think that comes across quite clearly.

MsJack wrote:Stem said, “ I know you promote having a good to great understanding of LDS”
Sneering at my knowledge of the LDS church.


That is not sneering. That's acknowledging your own position--you think you have a good to great understanding of LDS. Sneer would be more along the lines of "I know you think you know, but you really don't know much of anything"--you know more along the lines of how you responded to me?

MsJack wrote:
Stem said, “but his is a classic fail on your part.”
In what universe is telling someone that they've engaged in "classic fail" considered polite? Really now, is that how your parents raised you?


Surely I put the "you're wrong" in unambiguous terms. I don't see how that is hostile. I didn't say it was polite. Although, polite is a far cry from hostile. You claimed I was being hostile by saying you were wrong, or had failed on this particular thing. I clarified for you it was meant to be helpful to you, rather than to be impolite.

stemelbow wrote:This part was just weird. I didn't know whether or not to be offended by it because I have no idea what you mean by my "partners." I asked you for clarification and you never provided it.


Sure I did. I told you your partners references those who hold the same position as you regarding the LDS Church--meaning its not the true church.

That was when I decided I was done with you. When I complain to someone that I think s/he is being rude, I expect it to be taken seriously, even if the person thinks s/he was not trying to be rude. Being rude is not simply about intentions, it's about perception. My daughter doesn't think she's being rude when she wanders to someone else's table at McDonald's and eats their fries, but trust me, I still scold her for it.


I did take it seriously. I clearly responded by telling you it was not meant to be rude at all, but helpful. Sorry for the offense you took from it. I did not mean anything nasty.

Spending a week trying to paint yourself as some kind of hapless victim and obsessively bringing the same thing up over and over again to me when it's clear that neither of us is going to budge and I've repeatedly expressed a desire to let the matter drop is definitely a good way to provoke me.


My week’s been quite busy with many things. To try and paint it as I’ve spent a week responding to you, when it took a total of maybe 30 minutes in total, is pretty disingenuous, MsJack. I have tried to let it drop too, but others, like Rambo, keep bringing it up spinning it as I am bad, or wrong for Rambo’s sake. I just wanted to clarify my position.


I don't know if you deserved everything you got when you first got here, stemelbow. But you certainly deserve most of what you're getting now.


So because I said you failed on one thing regarding understanding LDS, because I thought you were dramatic so I said, “oh brother” is somehow enough for you to think I deserve it? Whatever, MsJack. I’m willing to drop it, but I felt it fair to respond to this. I can’t imagine anyone other than you seeing my comment regarding how you failed in your take on LDS on one simple little thing as hostile, like you suggested. Hey, maybe many of your partners here (you know the ones who hold the position that the LDS Church is wrong) agree with you and saying you have failed in your analysis is hostile. I mean I can’t imagine any to hold that view with integrity considering what goes on here, but they might. I don’t know.
Love ya tons,
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This place is a shark tank for TBMs.
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MrStakhanovite wrote:This place is a shark tank for TBMs.


oh brother...you're being dramatic.
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