Found the truth, what next?

[_Some Schmo]

I love her very much, and would do almost anything I can think of to stay on good terms with her. But I am more committed to God than I am to her. So if God told me to leave the LDS Church, I would leave it, and if my wife decided that meant our marriage was through, I would accept that as one of the consequences.

Well here's a classic example of how religion is harmful (not to mention how it fosters some of the most ridiculous thinking one can imagine).

So you're more committed to your imaginary friend than your flesh and blood wife? Here's hoping she finds that out and leaves your undeserving punk ass.

Unbelievable. This is exactly the kind of crap that makes me hostile toward theism.

[_stemelbow]

Well here's a classic example of how religion is harmful (not to mention how it fosters some of the most ridiculous thinking one can imagine).

So you're more committed to your imaginary friend than your flesh and blood wife? Here's hoping she finds that out and leaves your undeserving punk ass.

Unbelievable. This is exactly the kind of crap that makes me hostile toward theism.

You make me chuckle, Schmoe. What does Kevin's opinion on this do to you? You get all hostile because he puts trust in God to an extent you can't fathom?

Really, who cares? Settle down. Its not like he's saying God told him to leave the Church nor is he saying that his wife would want a divorce if he did leave. Its a hypothetical. And his imaginary friend is quite real to him, I'm sure.

[_Some Schmo]

You make me chuckle, Schmoe.

Awesome.

What does Kevin's opinion on this do to you?

It makes me pity his wife.

You get all hostile because he puts trust in God to an extent you can't fathom?

I get hostile toward belief systems that are unnecessarily harmful. Did you not gather that from my post?

Really, who cares? Settle down.

You make me chuckle, stemelbowe.

Why don't you lead by example?

Its not like he's saying God told him to leave the Church nor is he saying that his wife would want a divorce if he did leave. Its a hypothetical.

Saying that he values his imaginary god more than his wife is not hypothetical (unless, of course, he's also only imagining being married - if he values his imaginary god more than his imaginary wife, I don't really see a problem).

And his imaginary friend is quite real to him, I'm sure.

As is your sense of persecution, I'm sure. Doesn't make it objectively real, however.

[_Mad Viking]

HEAVENLY FATHER: Remember those statement you made about black people and race mixing?

Brigham: I sure do God... I was just teaching your flock your will.

HEAVENLY FATHER: Umm... yeah... see that's the problem. What you said isn't actually true. That's not really how I feel about the matter. I'm actually cool with it. They're all my children and I don't really care about race. Now look... I don't fault you... You're just a man, and you're living in a time where those attitudes are prevelant. However, you've got to set the record straight about my stance on this issue. OK?

Like I said in the other post, this assumes that God doesn't have anything better to do with His time than correct Brigham's position. I think it's totally possible that in God's plan for taking His message to the world He realized that the best way to do that was through Joseph Smith and Brigham Young, even though He was well aware of Brigham's racist attitudes, and that He was also aware that the best time to remove the racist positions from the organization Brigham preserved was 1978.

It literally took me 5 minutes to write that whole post. Are you telling me your god doesn't have 5 minutes to spare? He has time to spare to give mandates about earrings. Please.

[_stemelbow]

It makes me pity his wife.

Unnecessarily. You don't know his wife, you barely even know he exists. Why pity her? Because you assume that his reliance on God is going to cuase him to mistreat his wife?

I get hostile toward belief systems that are unnecessarily harmful. Did you not gather that from my post?

Well since you can't detect that Kevin has harmed his wife, or that his wife or he has been harmed, I don't see why you need to get so hostile about it.

[_Some Schmo]

It makes me pity his wife.

Unnecessarily. You don't know his wife, you barely even know he exists. Why pity her?

Do you have to know someone before you care about them? You don't have a natural empathy toward everyone, or just the folks you know? Do you laugh at the starving African kids you see on TV?

While it's true I don't know whether this specific wife is real or not, it's more about the expressed attitude than whether or not there's a real person suffering from having this idiot as her husband.

Because you assume that his reliance on God is going to cuase him to mistreat his wife?

He said he'd accept a divorce as a consequence of his god belief. Did you miss that?

And harm has to do with more than just the couple. What if they have kids? His ridiculous priorities (based on a fantasy, no less) could potentially put their wellbeing in danger. This is what makes me hostile. It's the idea/attitude.

I get hostile toward belief systems that are unnecessarily harmful. Did you not gather that from my post?

Well since you can't detect that Kevin has harmed his wife, or that his wife or he has been harmed, I don't see why you need to get so hostile about it.

Oh look... your reading comprehension issue is rearing its ugly head again.

Nothing anyone can say here will actually make you smarter, stem, so I'll leave it at that. I can't make you understand if you refuse to.

[_Ceeboo]

Hello Some Schmo (Long time to type) :)

Unbelievable. This is exactly the kind of crap that makes me hostile toward theism.

Make you a deal:

If you will stop painting all Theists with your enormously broad brush........
I will not attribute your posts to all atheists.

Deal?


:) :)

Peace,
Ceeboo

[_stemelbow]

He said he'd accept a divorce as a consequence of his god belief. Did you miss that?

And harm has to do with more than just the couple. What if they have kids? His ridiculous priorities (based on a fantasy, no less) could potentially put their wellbeing in danger. This is what makes me hostile. It's the idea/attitude.

I think clearly, you are over-reacting (uh oh where's Just me?). But, whatever.

[_Some Schmo]

Hello Some Schmo (Long time to type) :)

Unbelievable. This is exactly the kind of crap that makes me hostile toward theism.

Make you a deal:

If you will stop painting all Theists with your enormously broad brush........
I will not attribute your posts to all atheists.

Deal?


:) :)

Peace,
Ceeboo

Now Ceeboo, I know you're much sharper than this. I didn't say "all theists believe X." I suggested that theism leads to potentially harmful beliefs/behavior. I don't think that's in dispute.

I am glad to see you intimate that you love your spouse more than your god, though. See what I mean? You're a sharp guy...

;)

[_Some Schmo]

I think clearly, you are over-reacting (uh oh where's Just me?). But, whatever.

Wow, I'm shocked. Who'd have thought you'd say that?!

Denial... the theist's volleyball!