jon wrote: What is the special mission of those women who are unable to bare children?
They can work in daycare centers, teach, adopt and volunteer. And they can have conversations with others about caring for children as advisors or specialists. It is really up to them.
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harmony wrote: What does day care in Finland have to do with family life in the USA? Or even Utah?
It has to do with parenting. On a different thread I did mentioned finland as an example of wayward parenting and the affects that this has on a child later in life. It was in the context of that thread. I just linked in my OP here to something that was related to what I was writing on that thread because it supported what I was writing at that time. The research just came out. However, across the board, parents are losing their ability to be parents because of work situations and a skewed value structure. My contention is that the church got it right with its stress on family nights and being present for family dinners, and praying together etc.
Underlined portion. I agree that family nights, family dinners and praying together are unifying and grounding forces in the life of the child. They are not a subsitute for parenting skills.
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Blixa wrote: Instead of addressing his sexist assumptions, he flings out a link which I guess is supposed to stand in for some kind of garbled conceptual algebra:
"My opponents are against sexism, therefore they are on the same side as places like "Scandinavia;" however since there are still problems with sexist behaviors and domestic violence in "Scandinavia," we can conclude "the LDS got it right."
And what sexist assumptions are you implying. If I think that women are best to care for a child, I don't think that that is sexist at all. Children need parents but not just parents but good parents who have good parenting skills. And this is becoming in short supply in the western world as families are becoming fractured and distant.
I do believe that the LDS got it right about the family. They are widely admired for their family values. And in this world today that is an achievement. Very few LDS youth are getting bombed as they are in finland, russia and norway. Not to mention in other western societies.
You continue to conflate the issue of parenting skills and family values. They are not one in the same.
Family nights (FHE), family dinners together and praying together as you noted in a previous post are all unifying and grounding experiences for a family. These would come under the heading of valuing and strengthening family via traditions and rituals.
They are NOT parenting skills, why me.
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Morley wrote:This article is about sexual assault in a country with a significant degree of gender equity. I has nothing to do with children spending time in daycare. You're grasping at straws.
On the other thread I did post a link about alcohol abuse among the youth. I just supplemented it with the domestic violence link. As I said on the other thread, Norway and finland are not perfect by a long shot. In fact, both countries would be considered a moderately large city in the US if one goes by population. And if they were moderately large cities, they would be considered dysfunctional. And much has to do with parenting and the lack of parenting skills.
What are parenting skills?
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that offers care and early learning for infants through age 6, the philosophy and practice of which has had international impact on schools all over the world including the USA.
Please keep giving me reasons to post without response from you, why me, I don't have anything better to do in my spare time.
;-)
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just me wrote:He has also said that women are natural nurturers and childless women should gain employment working with children. Seems that childcare would be a fit according to his outlook.
whyme has clearly demonstrated in past posts that he is no expert nor role model on anything related to marriage, raising children, or women. Well that is women who are clothed and not being paid to keep his credit card on file at several online websites.
hugh jass,
You have no right whatsoever to rag on why me's parenting, role modeling or any other damn thing in his personal life and definitely have no business bringing up his own children into this thread.
No one who respects children would drag someone else's children into a discussion for the purpose of personally attacking a poster they don't like.
Try dealing with the topic and issues he's presented.
Jersey Girl
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jon wrote: What is the special mission of those women who are unable to bare children?
why me wrote:They can work in daycare centers, teach, adopt and volunteer. And they can have conversations with others about caring for children as advisors or specialists. It is really up to them.
Okay....how does this make sense? It's okay for childless women to staff childcare centers but it's not okay for anyone to actually place their child in a childcare center?
How would why me propose that childless women prepare themselves to act as advisors or specialists to work in support of parents to teach them about caring for children?
Failure is not falling down but refusing to get up.
Chinese Proverb
why me wrote:On the other thread I did post a link about alcohol abuse among the youth. I just supplemented it with the domestic violence link. As I said on the other thread, Norway and finland are not perfect by a long shot. In fact, both countries would be considered a moderately large city in the US if one goes by population. And if they were moderately large cities, they would be considered dysfunctional. And much has to do with parenting and the lack of parenting skills.
What are parenting skills?
I was wondering. Could someone provide an overview?
that offers care and early learning for infants through age 6, the philosophy and practice of which has had international impact on schools all over the world including the USA.
Please keep giving me reasons to post without response from you, why me, I don't have anything better to do in my spare time.
;-)
Also, as a side note, the couple thought that my daughter was the best nanny that they ever had. Why? Because of her skills with the child. Her Mormon experience was a big help.
In scandinavia, when children are old enough to go to school, the day care life is over. Day care goes from ages 10 months to 6 years old. That being said, if parents spend 10 hours working, the children are more or less alone after school. I am afraid that you are confusing the issue. In Italy, where my daughter was a nanny she had the job of looking after one child. She would take her to school and pick her up from school. Her parents would come home at a decent hour and cook dinner. My daughter's reponsibility was basically to watch over the daughter and oversee her activities. Much better than being left alone at home.
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why me wrote:They can work in daycare centers, teach, adopt and volunteer. And they can have conversations with others about caring for children as advisors or specialists. It is really up to them.
Okay....how does this make sense? It's okay for childless women to staff childcare centers but it's not okay for anyone to actually place their child in a childcare center?
How would why me propose that childless women prepare themselves to act as advisors or specialists to work in support of parents to teach them about caring for children?
I believe that I was referring to the idea that these women who can not have children but who wish to be around children, can do the work that I listed above. I did not infer that this is the only work that they can do.
Childcare centers that are state controlled are very regimented. I do believe that the best solution would be to hire more staff but there is a money problem in europe at the moment and in some countries budget cuts are ocurring. If I would turn back the clock 25 years, state day care in european countries that had them, were much better funded and parents had a more humane work situation which allowed for much less forced overtime without pay. Overtime was paid and optional.
I intend to lay a foundation that will revolutionize the whole world. Joseph Smith We are “to feed the hungry, to clothe the naked, to provide for the widow, to dry up the tear of the orphan, to comfort the afflicted, whether in this church, or in any other, or in no church at all…” Joseph Smith