Children spend up to 10 hours a day in day care.

[_why me]

What are parenting skills?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parenting

I think that this shows what role a good parent can play in a child's life. Now if the majority of work is being done by strangers, well, something will be lacking in that child. Now of course, parents need to be taught good parenting skills. If not, there may be no other choice but to allow educated strangers do the job for them. Finland is a good example where many parents are out to lunch when it comes to raising the child.

[_Morley]

Why me, I'm bumping this thread and reposting this unanswered question:

.... As I said on the other thread, Norway and finland are not perfect by a long shot. In fact, both countries would be considered a moderately large city in the US if one goes by population. And if they were moderately large cities, they would be considered dysfunctional. And much has to do with parenting and the lack of parenting skills.

What?! How would Norway and Finland be considered dysfunctional? In what areas do either of these counties compare unfavorably to average 'moderately large cities' in the US? If you have statistics, please cough them up.

[_why me]

Why me, I'm bumping this thread and reposting this unanswered question:

.... As I said on the other thread, Norway and finland are not perfect by a long shot. In fact, both countries would be considered a moderately large city in the US if one goes by population. And if they were moderately large cities, they would be considered dysfunctional. And much has to do with parenting and the lack of parenting skills.

What?! How would Norway and Finland be considered dysfunctional? In what areas do either of these counties compare unfavorably to average 'moderately large cities' in the US? If you have statistics, please cough them up.

The population of Finland is 5.3 million and Norway has a population of 4.9 million. With all the alcohol consumption and alcoholism and domestic violence in both societies and if we put that population into its own city, it would be considered dysfunctional. Not to mention the high divorce rate in both societies and the suicide rates. http://fathersforlife.org/health/who_su ... tm#Table_B

[_just me]

I am so not surprised by the website content on the link you sent us to.

[_Blixa]

I am so not surprised by the website content on the link you sent us to.

!!!!!!

I thought whyme had intellectually and morally bottomed out before. I was wrong.

[_Morley]

.... As I said on the other thread, Norway and finland are not perfect by a long shot. In fact, both countries would be considered a moderately large city in the US if one goes by population. And if they were moderately large cities, they would be considered dysfunctional. And much has to do with parenting and the lack of parenting skills.

What?! How would Norway and Finland be considered dysfunctional? In what areas do either of these counties compare unfavorably to average 'moderately large cities' in the US? If you have statistics, please cough them up.

The population of Finland is 5.3 million and Norway has a population of 4.9 million. With all the alcohol consumption and alcoholism and domestic violence in both societies and if we put that population into its own city, it would be considered dysfunctional. Not to mention the high divorce rate in both societies and the suicide rates. http://fathersforlife.org/health/who_su ... tm#Table_B

The only stats you provided (other than raw population) were of reported suicides. If this is your measure of 'functionality,' then the countries with the lowest suicide rates would have to be considered the most functional.

From your link, these would include:
Jamaica, Iran, Syria, Egypt, Antigua, Dominican Republic, Honduras, and Jordan. Admittedly, several of these would also sport low divorce rates and limited alcohol consumption.

Two questions. 1) Are these the only statistics you could find to make your argument? 2) Is it really your assertion that these countries (you know, Iran and Dominican Republic) are more functional than Finland and Norway?


edit: I lied. I have one more question: 3) What does this have to do with childcare and parenting?

[_why me]

Two questions. 1) Are these the only statistics you could find to make your argument? 2) Is it really your assertion that these countries (you know, Iran and Dominican Republic) are more functional than Finland and Norway?

edit: I lied. I have one more question: 3) What does this have to do with childcare and parenting?

Let me try this again: it is not just the suicide rate. In domestic violence both countries have immense problems. Not to mention the alcohol problem for small population countries. The social problems in both countries are huge. Here is the latest from finland:

http://www.yle.fi/uutiset/news/2011/11/ ... 92352.html

When it comes to depression finland goes through the roof in problems and many finns are taking antidepressants:

http://www.yle.fi/uutiset/news/2008/04/ ... 90648.html

http://www.yle.fi/uutiset/news/2008/03/ ... 87031.html

And this is a country of 5.3 million. Add this to the other problems I linked to and yes, finland would be a very dysfunctional city.

[_why me]

I am so not surprised by the website content on the link you sent us to.

!!!!!!

I thought whyme had intellectually and morally bottomed out before. I was wrong.

Your ignorance must make you blissful. :=) A social scientist you are not.

[_Morley]

Two questions. 1) Are these the only statistics you could find to make your argument? 2) Is it really your assertion that these countries (you know, Iran and Dominican Republic) are more functional than Finland and Norway?

edit: I lied. I have one more question: 3) What does this have to do with childcare and parenting?

Let me try this again: it is not just the suicide rate. In domestic violence both countries have immense problems. Not to mention the alcohol problem for small population countries. The social problems in both countries are huge. Here is the latest from finland:

http://www.yle.fi/uutiset/news/2011/11/ ... 92352.html

When it comes to depression finland goes through the roof in problems and many finns are taking antidepressants:

http://www.yle.fi/uutiset/news/2008/04/ ... 90648.html

http://www.yle.fi/uutiset/news/2008/03/ ... 87031.html

And this is a country of 5.3 million. Add this to the other problems I linked to and yes, finland would be a very dysfunctional city.

So, you have no comparative statistics to back up your claims. Am I getting that right?

[_why me]

More about depression in finland:

http://www.yle.fi/uutiset/news/2010/11/ ... 68179.html

http://yle.fi/uutiset/news/2010/06/more ... print=true

yes, finland is a very healthy society and very functional.

From one of the links:

She adds that there is not one particular reason for the development. Some of the problems could be due to childhood. Parents’ mental and drug problems often result in difficulties for their children.