Will Challenges Chris Smith to a Formal Public Debate

[_Droopy]

Your right, this idea about debate taken right out of Plato and Aristotle are ramblings of a hack, becasue God knows, Will Schryver's ability to do textual criticism is super scary.

Regardless of what Plato and Aristotle thought about the subject 2,500 years ago, Will does appear to be a competent textual critic, as others who are known to be so have approved of the general tenor of his work on the KEP.

Lucky be a lady tonight:

The last time I engaged in a public debate in the academic world, it was on the subject of universal health care. All involved were to take the opposite side of the one they actaually believed.

In preperation, I studied everything I could find on the arguments for socialized medicine, assuming that the salient arguments I found were the actual argumetns leftists would use in any debate, formal or informal on the subject. This, however, assumes that there are clear, succinct and definable arguments on the other side.

Sorry, but that was an academic classroom exercise in which I debated as a member of a team agains another team, and was seen only by those in the class.

In the academic world? You mean one of your undergrad Poly-Sci courses or a public speaking course in one of Liberal Education requirements for graduation? You make it sound like you are some Policy wonk who got called down from a think tank in D.C. to debate some Professors.

I've never made any such claim, and yes, it was an undergrad Poly-Sci course. You have to go through those, you know.

I’m glad you totally smoked that kid in your undergrad class.

There was no "kid," but a number of them, and as all of us were picked to argue the points opposite to those we actually held, I'm not sure I "smoked" them or not, though I surely attempted to.

Nice try at a Scratch imitation, by the way.

[_MrStakhanovite]

Will does appear to be a competent textual critic

Stop trolling me Droops

[_schreech]

Regardless of what Plato and Aristotle thought about the subject 2,500 years ago, Will does appear to be a competent textual critic, as others who are known to be so have approved of the general tenor of his work on the KEP.

Others??? - please name 2....thanks!!!

[_Drifting]

Your right, this idea about debate taken right out of Plato and Aristotle are ramblings of a hack, becasue God knows, Will Schryver's ability to do textual criticism is super scary.

Regardless of what Plato and Aristotle thought about the subject 2,500 years ago, Will does appear to be a competent textual critic, as others who are known to be so have approved of the general tenor of his work on the KEP.

I can't recall a single professional, qualified Egyptolgist that publicly supports Will's hobbyist attempts at apologistic theorising on the Book of Abaham or related topics.
In a different thread I helpfully listed a number of institutions with specialist Egyptology sections, to whom Will can submit his work for peer review. Do you think he will?

[_MrStakhanovite]

KEP is the Kirtland Egpytian Papers, not the actual scroll of breathings that appear in BoMs that are handed out around the globe to wide eyed investigators like me.

[_Droopy]

KEP is the Kirtland Egpytian Papers, not the actual scroll of breathings that appear in BoMs that are handed out around the globe to wide eyed investigators like me.

As there is not documentary evidence that Joseph Smith ever thought the hypocephalus was the source of the Book of Abraham, and no documentary evidence that the KEP were working tools or a template of some kind that was being used to make direct translations from Egyptian to the English language of the Book of Abraham text, from the Sensen text or anywhere else, your entire point is rather lost in the woods.

No doubt the Book of Breathings we have is closely connected to the Book of Abraham, but there is no evidence that it was the source of the Book of Abraham.

[_Drifting]

KEP is the Kirtland Egpytian Papers, not the actual scroll of breathings that appear in BoMs that are handed out around the globe to wide eyed investigators like me.

As there is not documentary evidence that Joseph Smith ever thought the hypocephalus was the source of the Book of Abraham, and no documentary evidence that the KEP were working tools or a template of some kind that was being used to make direct translations from Egyptian to the English language of the Book of Abraham text, from the Sensen text or anywhere else, your entire point is rather lost in the woods.

No doubt the Book of Breathings we have is closely connected to the Book of Abraham, but there is no evidence that it was the source of the Book of Abraham.

Why did Joseph get the translation wrong of the facsimile that is referenced in the Book of Abaham chapter 1 verse 12?

[Guest]

I can't recall a single professional, qualified Egyptolgist that publicly supports Will's hobbyist attempts at apologistic theorising on the Book of Abaham or related topics.

Your problem here, of course, is that Will is not dealing with Egyptology but the KEP, and most especially the EA/GAEL documents, many of the symbols within which, as has already been shown, are not Egyptian at all.

But even this is somewhat beside the point. The question is the textual reconstruction of the KEP and its meaning in relation to the entire Book of Abraham project, and that has to do with Egyptian language only tangentially.

As we quite clearly do not have the original documents from which the Book of Abraham actually was translated, how Egyptology figures in here is a bit puzzling.

The question is the KEP and its relation to the Book of Abraham, not any Egyptian source texts, something that Will has not, to my knowledge, made any effort to engage. Nor has he, to my knowledge, claimed any expertise in Egyptology, which is hardly surprising as the forensic reconstruction of the purpose and meaning of the KEP require no such particular knowledge.

[_MrStakhanovite]

No doubt the Book of Breathings we have is closely connected to the Book of Abraham, but there is no evidence that it was the source of the Book of Abraham.

[_Droopy]

Why did Joseph get the translation wrong of the facsimile that is referenced in the Book of Abaham chapter 1 verse 12?

Did he now?

In any case, you're now jumping all over the map, in typical anti-Mormon fashion, shooting wild, and I'm not going to field all the shrapnel.