Will Challenges Chris Smith to a Formal Public Debate

[_Drifting]

Will's work is reputed to be the equivalent of a study into the specific layout of, and fabrics used on, the Titanics deck chairs...

[_Drifting]

Why did Joseph get the translation wrong of the facsimile that is referenced in the Book of Abaham chapter 1 verse 12?

Did he now?

In any case, you're now jumping all over the map, in typical anti-Mormon fashion, shooting wild, and I'm not going to field all the shrapnel.

LOL, you mean you have no answer. Got it.

[_Buffalo]

Why did Joseph get the translation wrong of the facsimile that is referenced in the Book of Abaham chapter 1 verse 12?

Did he now?

In any case, you're now jumping all over the map, in typical anti-Mormon fashion, shooting wild, and I'm not going to field all the shrapnel.

Translation: Droopy knows Smith got it wrong, has no defense, and therefore refuses to engage the question.

[_Droopy]

No doubt the Book of Breathings we have is closely connected to the Book of Abraham, but there is no evidence that it was the source of the Book of Abraham.

This scene is not from the hypocephalus, but from other portions of the the texts Joseph had in his possession. Whatever portion of the texts Joseph had in his possession from which the Lion Couch scene comes, that could be considered, certainly, at least one text from which the Book of Abraham as we have now was derived, in some sense.

Perhaps.

If Joseph received the entire Book of Abraham throug the principle of direct revelation, then the Book of Abraham as we have in now only references other authoritative, allied texts Joseph had, without being directly derived from them. There is no documentary record detailing how Joseph actually produced the Book of Abraham.

We just don't know, and hence, all the freewheeling speculation and hypothesis.

[_Rambo]

Why does this KEP stuff matter? People keep talking about it but I don't really understand the whole issue with it and I don't know why it matters.

Joseph got the translations of the facsimiles wrong. They clearly come from the book of breathings and you would be mentally stupid not to understand that.

So why get into all this stuff about the KEP when it is clear Joseph could not translate? Can someone tell me why?

[_Buffalo]

This scene is not from the hypocephalus, but from other portions of the the texts Joseph had in his possession. Whatever portion of the texts Joseph had in his possession from which the Lion Couch scene comes, that could be considered, certainly, at least one text from which the Book of Abraham as we have now was derived, in some sense.

Perhaps.

If Joseph received the entire Book of Abraham throug the principle of direct revelation, then the Book of Abraham as we have in now only references other authoritative, allied texts Joseph had, without being directly derived from them. There is no documentary record detailing how Joseph actually produced the Book of Abraham.

We just don't know, and hence, all the freewheeling speculation and hypothesis.

Freewheeling speculation is the apologetic stock in trade. However, no speculation is necessary to understand that Joseph mistranslated all three facsimiles.

[_Droopy]

In a different thread I helpfully listed a number of institutions with specialist Egyptology sections, to whom Will can submit his work for peer review. Do you think he will?

Unless those Egyptologists are also experts on the subject of the meaning and purpose of the KEP, I have no idea why he would bother.

[_Buffalo]

Why does this KEP stuff matter? People keep talking about it but I don't really understand the whole issue with it and I don't know why it matters.

Joseph got the translations of the facsimiles wrong. They clearly come from the book of breathings and you would be mentally stupid not to understand that.

So why get into all this stuff about the KEP when it is clear Joseph could not translate? Can someone tell me why?

Perhaps the KEP issue is meant to divert attention from that fact. I don't find it all that important either. The fact is wherever Joseph's translations can be checked, it turns out he couldn't translate a single word.

[_Drifting]

Why does this KEP stuff matter? People keep talking about it but I don't really understand the whole issue with it and I don't know why it matters.

Joseph got the translations of the facsimiles wrong. They clearly come from the book of breathings and you would be mentally stupid not to understand that.

So why get into all this stuff about the KEP when it is clear Joseph could not translate? Can someone tell me why?

Perhaps the KEP issue is meant to divert attention from that fact. I don't find it all that important either. The fact is wherever Joseph's translations can be checked, it turns out he couldn't translate a single word.

100% agree.

[_Kevin Graham]

Now that William is losing yet another debate over at MADB, he wants to take desperate measures and throw down a formal debate challenge? This is just diversionary. If he cannot win a debate online, why would anyone think he can win a debate in a public setting? Andrew and Chris have exposed WIll the same way I have for years now. He is a know nothing.

Of course he is just bluffing the same way he bluffed with Metcalfe. He knows Chris will not debate him. William is a nobody. He's published nothing. He has no credibility among even the most loyal LDS believers. Debating him would be like Mitt Romney going out of his way to debate Michael Moore. Why would Chris want to put this on his resume before launching his academic career? He has tried to engage the LDS scholars since they are supposed to be on his level. Debating a blowhard Mormon apologist from the fringe is something he has tried to avoid but William keeps throwing himself at him in the most embarrassing ways. William is nothing more than John Gee's lapdog who is trying to but LDS scholars time with these silly diversions.