Why aren't we designed better if there is an ID?

[_Rambo]

This is a good example of why Mormonism holds a better position on it. Afterall, God didn't design us from nuttin'. Plus, we're eternal beings. These frailties are cured in immortality.

What are you talking about? How is Mormonism different?

[_stemelbow]

What are you talking about? How is Mormonism different?

LDS belief is different, Rambo, because for LDS God did not conjur up the whole affair in His mind and then started making things appear--making components just appear out of nothing. You see if the traditional concept is true, then its a wonder why God would create anything imperfect out of nothing. He's perfect, why create imperfect things? The imagination must assume that a perfect God, if He can create out of nothing, can create anything He wants--like a body that isn't corruptible. You see, the implication here is that God imagined what to create, and based on His imagination He created.

For LDS God didn't create out of nothing. He organized things, including our mortal bodies, out of already existing things. This might beg the question, "well couldn't have God, for LDS, created us even better than we are?" Who knows? But the point is clear--we're here upon our own choice, and in the end we won't have anything that ails us about our bodies.

[_LDSToronto]

This is a good example of why Mormonism holds a better position on it. Afterall, God didn't design us from nuttin'. Plus, we're eternal beings. These frailties are cured in immortality.

Assuming LDS theology, it is true that god did not create human's from nothing, in the sense that the immaterial matter was floating all about and he had to form it into some shape.

However, I don't know what you mean by "God didn't design us from nothing" - does this mean god had to follow a plan that was given to him? Was he constrained in his design of mortal bodies? For instance, could he have given human beings wings? Larger birth canals? Smaller babies? Tails? 360 degree vision? Fangs? Bigger... no never mind that one...

H.

[_brade]

I think he's being sarcastic.

He is.

[_Rambo]

"well couldn't have God, for LDS, created us even better than we are?" Who knows? But the point is clear--we're here upon our own choice, and in the end we won't have anything that ails us about our bodies.

That was going to be my next question.
The LDS explaination on how things came to be doesn't answer Just Me's question.
Sure the LDS god organized matter but he could've done a better job at organizing it.

Just like other god's creating things out of nothing could have done a better job at creating them.

I really don't see the difference between the god's.

[Guest]

LDS belief is different, Rambo, because for LDS God did not conjur up the whole affair in His mind and then started making things appear--making components just appear out of nothing. You see if the traditional concept is true, then its a wonder why God would create anything imperfect out of nothing. He's perfect, why create imperfect things? The imagination must assume that a perfect God, if He can create out of nothing, can create anything He wants--like a body that isn't corruptible. You see, the implication here is that God imagined what to create, and based on His imagination He created.

For LDS God didn't create out of nothing. He organized things, including our mortal bodies, out of already existing things. This might beg the question, "well couldn't have God, for LDS, created us even better than we are?" Who knows? But the point is clear--we're here upon our own choice, and in the end we won't have anything that ails us about our bodies.

How will our bodies be different "in the end?" Are our "perfected" bodies designed by someone/thing other than Heavenly Father? In other words, if God can perfect our bodies and the design flaws they have later, he could do it now.

[_just me]

I think he's being sarcastic.

He is.

I thought so, then I wasn't sure. You're very good at it. *grin*

[_Some Schmo]

And you totally caught my typo, dammit.

I fixed it. :)

[_stemelbow]

Assuming LDS theology, it is true that god did not create human's from nothing, in the sense that the immaterial matter was floating all about and he had to form it into some shape.

However, I don't know what you mean by "God didn't design us from nothing" - does this mean god had to follow a plan that was given to him?

Obviously we look like Him. If you are to take some of the "speculations" of the past seriously, then we are to also assume God is not the only one that looks like we do. There are others. This bipedal creature wasn't conjured up in the mind of God who sat boundlessly in eternity. He didn't settle on this structure out of the possible infinite amount of possibilities.

Was he constrained in his design of mortal bodies? For instance, could he have given human beings wings? Larger birth canals? Smaller babies? Tails? 360 degree vision? Fangs? Bigger... no never mind that one...

H.

I don't think so. I think He designed us according to the mortal body has been made before, which in turn was a reflection of spirit bodies.

[_stemelbow]

That was going to be my next question.
The LDS explaination on how things came to be doesn't answer Just Me's question.
Sure the LDS god organized matter but he could've done a better job at organizing it.

That's an assumption you simply don't know. He might have done the best job ever possible. You simply wouldn't know that.

Just like other god's creating things out of nothing could have done a better job at creating them.

I really don't see the difference between the god's.

I tried to explain it.