Why aren't we designed better if there is an ID?

[_Buffalo]

Perhaps we'll be resurrected as Kryptonians, and the yellow sun will endow us with super powers and invulnerability to bullets!

Better than being resurrected as a Kolobian and being a total douche.

Plus, Superman's magic underwear > Joseph Smith's magic underwear

[_EAllusion]

If there's a poor design, that indicates there's a designer (which is the purpose of the ID movement, to detect designed things)

Are you aware of the concept of a hypothetical?

[_Some Schmo]

The reason that humans are so susceptible to back pain is that our bipedal stance is a jerry-rigged system that evolved from quadrapeds. It's quite inefficient and apt to produce problems and subsequent pain as people age. And for those who have experienced it, chronic back pain is terrible.

So, does that mean we were poorly designed? Well, that depends. If the designer wanted you to be likely to suffer from bad back pain at some point in your life, then the designer did awesome. Whether or not a designer did a "good job" depends on what the designer's aims were. If you point out that back pain is an evil aim that a good God shouldn't have, then you've just expressed another iteration of the problem of evil.

I was wondering when you'd get around to mentioning this, as I remember you pointing it out before.

If this board has taught me anything about god, it's that he's only bad in the Michael Jackson sense of the word.

[_Some Schmo]

Plus, Superman's magic underwear > Joseph Smith's magic underwear

Wait... is that a Masonic symbol on his chest?

[_just me]

There is no possible way for our bodies to become indestructible in their current form. Do you have any ideas of how that could be possible?

I'm not sure what you're asking. Its also impossible, as far as we comprehend to live again. With religion many things are impossible in the secular sense. For me, the possibility for an "indestructible" immortal body is made through the eternal laws of atonement.

Right. What I am asking is how our skin will be unable to be penetrated/broken/torn because of the atonement. How will our lungs be able to never cease to function properly. Repeat with every system and organ of the body.

I have heard at church that we will not have blood after we are resurrected. The fact is, blood is life. Without blood we are all dead. It has been suggested that we will have a magical fluid to take the place of our blood. But if our bodies remain functional in the same way they are now the magical fluid will have to act just like blood anyway.

The entire procreative process is dependant upon blood and that goes from conception to breastfeeding. Yet, it is claimed that women will be able to have babies in the afterlife.

If our bodies are going to go through some kind of metamorphasis that will fix all the design issues then those flaws were fixable here, too.

Yes, it is impossible for us to live again in these bodies. They will rot, they will become part of other organisms never to be known as "us" again. If my rotten body is used as the building blocks of other, new organisms how can I get them back? If I eat animals and they become part of me how can I and all the things I took in all get resurrected? Where is the material going to come from to get new, indestructible bodies for everyone that have ever lived?

[_mentalgymnast]

Whether or not a designer did a "good job" depends on what the designer's aims were.

Yep.

If opposition in all things is part and parcel of human existence, then it fits. If life was meant to be pain and trial free, then it doesn't. Take your pick.

Regards,
MG

[_Hughes]

If there's an Intelligent Designer?

If there's a poor design, that indicates there's a designer (which is the purpose of the ID movement, to detect designed things)

If there's a designer, and that designer is the God of the Bible, how does the curse effect what we look like today?

If there's a designer, what does that do to the theory of evolution?

If there's a poor design, and it *happened* yesterday, that indicates an poor design on purpose.

If it didn't happen recently, then it's likely that other events may have eroded, or messed up or devolved said design.

Evolutionary biology has already determined that regardless of "design" quality, no designer is necessary.

Then the complaint is moot. There is no designer to complain to.

[_Buffalo]

Then the complaint is moot. There is no designer to complain to.

Yes, well that's the point, isn't it? It's a hypothetical question based on the assumption that there is a God.

[_stemelbow]

Right. What I am asking is how our skin will be unable to be penetrated/broken/torn because of the atonement. How will our lungs be able to never cease to function properly. Repeat with every system and organ of the body.

I don't know how.

I have heard at church that we will not have blood after we are resurrected. The fact is, blood is life. Without blood we are all dead. It has been suggested that we will have a magical fluid to take the place of our blood. But if our bodies remain functional in the same way they are now the magical fluid will have to act just like blood anyway.

Interesting idea. Who knows?

The entire procreative process is dependant upon blood and that goes from conception to breastfeeding. Yet, it is claimed that women will be able to have babies in the afterlife.

I don't know about that. I'm not sure women will have babies, per se. This is my thinking, we will have immortal physical bodies. The spirits we organize will not be produced by copulation because if they did, they wouldn't be spirits, and they would come from somewhere. Who knows if intelligences are anything more than floating unconnected matter? I know I don't. I don't accept the notion that God and His wife produced us in the way we produce mortal bodies. I think they organized us in some unknown way.

If our bodies are going to go through some kind of metamorphasis that will fix all the design issues then those flaws were fixable here, too.

Not necessarily. Perhaps the eternal laws of atonement don't allow that.

Yes, it is impossible for us to live again in these bodies. They will rot, they will become part of other organisms never to be known as "us" again. If my rotten body is used as the building blocks of other, new organisms how can I get them back? If I eat animals and they become part of me how can I and all the things I took in all get resurrected? Where is the material going to come from to get new, indestructible bodies for everyone that have ever lived?

Beats me.

[_Hughes]

If there's a poor design, that indicates there's a designer (which is the purpose of the ID movement, to detect designed things)

Are you aware of the concept of a hypothetical?

Of course.