Why aren't we designed better if there is an ID?

[_Quasimodo]

Of course the fact that information found in every cell, contained in DNA indicates there's an intelligence behind it, shows that there must have been a designer.

I think it shows just the opposite.

A progression of singled celled organisms that would need to have all DNA coding in each cell to reproduce evolving to multicellular organisms that retained the complete coding just as their single celled ancestors had.

Pretty straight forward.

[_Buffalo]

Why would "scientific reality" be rejected?

Of course the fact that information found in every cell, contained in DNA indicates there's an intelligence behind it, shows that there must have been a designer.

Well, if you accept the Biblical timeline and the old age of Biblical patriarchs, then you must reject scientific reality.

Similarly, your statement on DNA and intelligence also requires a rejection of scientific reality.

[_Themis]

As it is, if the LDS concept of God having a Father and so is true, then its reasonable also to assume the concepts of the plan of salvation, and laws of atonement, are ubiquitous.

How is this relevant to the OP.

You see, God didn't design the mortal world out of nothing.

Actually LDS doctrine teaches that matter cannot be destroyed(not entirely correct though). It has nothing to do with bad designs.

he designed it while contricted to the eternal laws and eternal elements are His disposal.

This is made up in that you haven't the foggiest idea of what those eternal laws are, and I doubt they would constrict God in making better designs humans are getting close to making themselves. I laugh all the time when defenders here want to limit God's ability to little more then what man is capable of just to protect some beliefs. Many of which are not even important for us LDS.

In the long run, then, I don't see a designer is at all necessary. It goes back for forever. That might also mean the "weaknesses" we see in the flesh wasn't by design at all.

This not is not LDS doctrine, which teaches that God created the earth. This means he and others helping him where designing it.

[_stemelbow]

How is this relevant to the OP.

I'm trying to set up some context for my explanation.

Actually LDS doctrine teaches that matter cannot be destroyed(not entirely correct though). It has nothing to do with bad designs.

Who said it has anything to do with bad designs? Indeed I'm not talking design at all.

This is made up in that you haven't the foggiest idea of what those eternal laws are, and I doubt they would constrict God in making better designs humans are getting close to making themselves. I laugh all the time when defenders here want to limit God's ability to little more then what man is capable of just to protect some beliefs. Many of which are not even important for us LDS.

Thanks for laughing at me. I'm attempting to offer my ideas of how this all works. According to the explanations I've given God didn't design our mortal bodies from nothing. He had to follow eternal realities--that is mortal bodies function so and so a way. Thus, the perceived weakness in our mortal bodies isn't His fault. Its not as if Intelligent Design applies for LDS. As it is, for LDS God didn't create ex nihilo.

This not is not LDS doctrine, which teaches that God created the earth. This means he and others helping him where designing it.

I don't know what you think I've said. Ah well. Chalk it up to my error again.

[_stemelbow]

In which case, gods becomes entire superfluous, and no longer necessary to fulfill their original purpose, which was to help humans explain the things the didn't understand.

hah. Whatever. Why are you defining a God's original purpose? I'd say the original Purpose of God is to bring to pass the immortality and eternal life of man.

[_Buffalo]

In which case, gods becomes entire superfluous, and no longer necessary to fulfill their original purpose, which was to help humans explain the things the didn't understand.

hah. Whatever. Why are you defining a God's original purpose? I'd say the original Purpose of God is to bring to pass the immortality and eternal life of man.

By purpose I mean the reason why humans needed to imagine gods in the first place.

[_stemelbow]

Buffalo, the topic of this thread is to assume there is a God

[_Buffalo]

Buffalo, the topic of this thread is to assume there is a God

Yes, but your position leaves god totally extraneous, unnecessary for anything at all.

[_Themis]

I'm trying to set up some context for my explanation.

Could you provide how it is relevant to the OP?

Who said it has anything to do with bad designs? Indeed I'm not talking design at all.

But the OP is. Since LDS church teaches that God created the whole thing including man, he is by definition the designer, so some are asking why he made such a poor design.

Thanks for laughing at me.

Not at you, but with the arguments many believers use. Not all of them of course.

I'm attempting to offer my ideas of how this all works.

That's fine. I am just pointing out that some of those ideas conflict with what the church teaches.

According to the explanations I've given God didn't design our mortal bodies from nothing.

This really is not relevant to poor designing, unless you are suggesting that God had to work with already living organisms, and was limited in what he could do, which conflicts with the church teaches. Even modern science is coming up with ways to fix some of these flaws, and over time will only get better. I find it hard to think God is limited in the way you want to suggest, but I know why you do. :)

I don't know what you think I've said. Ah well. Chalk it up to my error again.

You are suggesting that God didn't do the design(conflicts with the church) , and had to work with what he had with certain eternal limitations you can't identify. This is just a very bad possibility game to get around why we have so many flaws God could have avioded.

[_Hughes]

Of course the fact that information found in every cell, contained in DNA indicates there's an intelligence behind it, shows that there must have been a designer.

I think it shows just the opposite.

A progression of singled celled organisms that would need to have all DNA coding in each cell to reproduce evolving to multicellular organisms that retained the complete coding just as their single celled ancestors had.

Pretty straight forward.

I would like to see the straight forward experimental evidence that demonstrates that the DNA arises from non-living matter. Until then, I'm a skeptic. Until then what is straight forward is the fact that it takes intelligence to produce information, as found in the DNA.