SUPREME BEING (the ONE GOD) x Distinct Gods x TREE OF LIFE
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The MAN of Holiness lived as any mortal man, as Jesus Christ lived. The same we can say about our WOMAN of Holiness, WIFE of MAN of Holiness. They passed through the MORTALITY PROBATION, as a necessary stage toward the ETERNAL PROGRESS steps we are doing and it is possible they received some revelation about THEIR FUTURE DAYS, as if, even about their FUTURE SPIRITUAL SONS. And even about the FIRST BORN, Their First Son of Elohim God, the Son of MAN of Holiness, even about their Son who was to be born in HEAVENLY JERUSALEM they were to built, the great TEMPLE in it, in which we all were born. We may guess such WIFE, Heavenly WOMAN mother of first Son of MAN of Holiness is also "tittled" as MARY... And Book of Mormon text quite overlaps to "coverp two revelations".
MOSIAH
3:8 And he shall be called Jesus Christ, the Son of God, the Father of heaven and earth, the Creator of all things from the beginning; and his mother shall be called Mary.
THE BOOK OF ALMA
7:9 But behold, the Spirit hath said this much unto me, saying:
Cry unto this people, saying--Repent ye, and prepare the way of
the Lord, and walk in his paths, which are straight; for behold,
the kingdom of heaven is at hand, and the Son of God cometh upon
the face of the earth.
7:10 And behold, he shall be born of Mary, at Jerusalem which is the land of our forefathers, she being a virgin, a precious and chosen vessel, who shall be overshadowed and conceive by the power of the Holy Ghost, and bring forth a son, yea, even the Son of God.
7:11 And he shall go forth, suffering pains and afflictions and
temptations of every kind; and this that the word might be
fulfilled which saith he will take upon him the pains and the
sicknesses of his people.
MOSIAH
3:8 And he shall be called Jesus Christ, the Son of God, the Father of heaven and earth, the Creator of all things from the beginning; and his mother shall be called Mary.
THE BOOK OF ALMA
7:9 But behold, the Spirit hath said this much unto me, saying:
Cry unto this people, saying--Repent ye, and prepare the way of
the Lord, and walk in his paths, which are straight; for behold,
the kingdom of heaven is at hand, and the Son of God cometh upon
the face of the earth.
7:10 And behold, he shall be born of Mary, at Jerusalem which is the land of our forefathers, she being a virgin, a precious and chosen vessel, who shall be overshadowed and conceive by the power of the Holy Ghost, and bring forth a son, yea, even the Son of God.
7:11 And he shall go forth, suffering pains and afflictions and
temptations of every kind; and this that the word might be
fulfilled which saith he will take upon him the pains and the
sicknesses of his people.
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We should consider some aspects and difference related to the SUPREME TIME of SUPREME BEING in the SUPREME TREE OF DIVINE LIFE and in relation to the God's Time (Divinity Time Scale that is linked to mortality time and other time according some Kolob's relationship or rule).

This subject was posted in internet so many years ago, in another similar version.
We could "reason" that the "Divine sap" is inside the BRANCHES that compose the TREES OF LIFE is quite like a "DIVINE FLUID" (quite like a "living spiritual water" - ?! - for sure not made of "water", it is just a "symbolism").
And it has two types of "ELASTICITY" in such two type of "DIVINE SAP". One is for the "SUPREME SAP" that "fills" (as if the electromagnetic-gravitational fields) the BRANCHES of the SUPREME TREE OF LIFE, of the SUPREME BEING, and that has as property having quite like "infinitely infinite value for E", something alike the "Young's modulus of elasticity".
As result the VELOCITY OF DISPLACEMENT OF THE INFORMATION, quite like the VELOCITY OF THE SOUND inside of the "BRANCHE", inside of the SUPREME BEING (inside of Supreme Tree of Life) is a SUPREME INFINITE. For sure this is not the model of the real "physics" based on electromagnetic waves, but is just on prosaic propagation of sound waves (as on gas, liquids and solids).
But it is a way to understand that we are not linked to something as "light" speed and theory of relativity by the Supreme Being.
Thus SUPREME BEING can know instantly what is going on in this UNIVERSE, in this LOCAL CREATION under local command of the God Jehovah, a quite small Creation (some 20 to 25 billion years diameter, maybe with some branch going some more...). And also the SUPREMBE BEING can known instantly what is going on in other parts of OTHER CREATIONS. Alike our limited UNIVERSE.
Even if they are very far away, in time and in distance. Even if 1,000,000 trillion years light or more far away. No problem, the information comes with so infinite velocity to the Head Quarters of the Supreme Being. Instantly. None physical limitation is "imposed" to the Only One Supreme Being, the ONE GOD living in all Gods.
If you have all information about a God, like a God Elohim, it is possible to "move, transport", at instantly so great velocity, such information from one extremity of ONE GOD's kingdom, from ALPHA position, as if in geographic and time position, to the OMEGA position, in other geographic and time position. And there such COMPLETE INFORMATION is "organized" locally as the God Elohim.
Thus God Elohim are "moved instantly" from one position to the other THROUGH the SUPREME TREE OF DIVINE LIFE, through the THAT I AM.
In such way we can understand how MAN OF HOLINESS became a true biologic FATHER of Jesus according his mortality body. How?
And what we can say about Mary? What? For sure Heavenly Father, reasoned as a "tangible man", a "holly man", was able to have a tangible son. No matter how far away in time and space he was living. We may guess He received "help" from the Supreme Tree of Life That was being in full agreement with such Plan, and also in agreement with death. Thus Elohim couldn't change, only cried.

This subject was posted in internet so many years ago, in another similar version.
We could "reason" that the "Divine sap" is inside the BRANCHES that compose the TREES OF LIFE is quite like a "DIVINE FLUID" (quite like a "living spiritual water" - ?! - for sure not made of "water", it is just a "symbolism").
And it has two types of "ELASTICITY" in such two type of "DIVINE SAP". One is for the "SUPREME SAP" that "fills" (as if the electromagnetic-gravitational fields) the BRANCHES of the SUPREME TREE OF LIFE, of the SUPREME BEING, and that has as property having quite like "infinitely infinite value for E", something alike the "Young's modulus of elasticity".
As result the VELOCITY OF DISPLACEMENT OF THE INFORMATION, quite like the VELOCITY OF THE SOUND inside of the "BRANCHE", inside of the SUPREME BEING (inside of Supreme Tree of Life) is a SUPREME INFINITE. For sure this is not the model of the real "physics" based on electromagnetic waves, but is just on prosaic propagation of sound waves (as on gas, liquids and solids).
But it is a way to understand that we are not linked to something as "light" speed and theory of relativity by the Supreme Being.
Thus SUPREME BEING can know instantly what is going on in this UNIVERSE, in this LOCAL CREATION under local command of the God Jehovah, a quite small Creation (some 20 to 25 billion years diameter, maybe with some branch going some more...). And also the SUPREMBE BEING can known instantly what is going on in other parts of OTHER CREATIONS. Alike our limited UNIVERSE.
Even if they are very far away, in time and in distance. Even if 1,000,000 trillion years light or more far away. No problem, the information comes with so infinite velocity to the Head Quarters of the Supreme Being. Instantly. None physical limitation is "imposed" to the Only One Supreme Being, the ONE GOD living in all Gods.
If you have all information about a God, like a God Elohim, it is possible to "move, transport", at instantly so great velocity, such information from one extremity of ONE GOD's kingdom, from ALPHA position, as if in geographic and time position, to the OMEGA position, in other geographic and time position. And there such COMPLETE INFORMATION is "organized" locally as the God Elohim.
Thus God Elohim are "moved instantly" from one position to the other THROUGH the SUPREME TREE OF DIVINE LIFE, through the THAT I AM.
In such way we can understand how MAN OF HOLINESS became a true biologic FATHER of Jesus according his mortality body. How?
And what we can say about Mary? What? For sure Heavenly Father, reasoned as a "tangible man", a "holly man", was able to have a tangible son. No matter how far away in time and space he was living. We may guess He received "help" from the Supreme Tree of Life That was being in full agreement with such Plan, and also in agreement with death. Thus Elohim couldn't change, only cried.
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We have the ONE GOD, the ONE HOLY GHOST as the SUPREME GHOST as was never a "tangible" Being. Is only of SPIRITUAL NATURE, as the I AM WHAT I AM, the SUPREME GHOST, the HOLY GHOST and as such can inhabit in the most inner of our God, Holy Ghost, as the one now Holy Ghost, one God "as if one Tree of Life" grafted in the "ONE GOD" as the SUPREME TREE OF DIVINE LIFE. Thus the SUPREME TREE OF LIFE, the ONE GOD, Supreme Holy Ghost, was present and active in the process, together with Holy Ghost God, in which one "seed" originated from (when? how?) the Man of Holiness fertilized one reproductive egg in Mary, in the normal human joining nature, starting His mortal Son, the Son of Man of Holiness, a mortal normal son, from so very far away time span.
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I think I understand where he's coming from...

Also, here's a pic of a honey badger:


Also, here's a pic of a honey badger:
In the face of madness, rationality has no power - Xiao Wang, US historiographer, 2287 AD.
Every record...falsified, every book rewritten...every statue...has been renamed or torn down, every date...altered...the process is continuing...minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Ideology is always right.
Every record...falsified, every book rewritten...every statue...has been renamed or torn down, every date...altered...the process is continuing...minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Ideology is always right.
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Let us imagine the case of ABRAHAM. He and Sarah were living at the end of their lives, as a married couple and they had no children. They were alone in this mortality world. They reasoned they were to depart from this World without a descendent from their "seed".
Then they received a God's promise that they were to receive a descendent, of their own seed, a son, not an adoptive son. For sure Sarah didn't believe in God, that she is being so greatly advanced in age and not more being possible to be pregnant, could be pregnant and bear such promised son. She laughed of such God's son. Because she was God's unbeliever, she decided to "help that God's promise could be fulfilled", is that she decided to ACT for PROMISED BE FULFILED. Thus SARAH decided to call her SERVANT ("SLAVE"), AGAR, as 2nd WIFE for ABRAHAM. Thus Abraham penetrated into her "by order" of SARAH and AGAR became pregnant and beard a SON that was SARAH's SON, ISMAEL. Because AGAR was "slave = property" of SARAH. And SARAH presented HER FIRST SON, ISMAEL, to ABRAHAM, as the FIRST ABRAHAM'S SON with SARAH.
In such way God's promise was fulfilled through the hands and actions of SARAH, the unbeliever. But God's blessings were honored through Ismael, even when Sarah decided to make the expulsion of Agar and Ismael's expulsion, without support of Abraham. In both cases Ishmael was being alive with Agar being expelled and God's angels protecting and guiding him to become so important. It is clear that Agar was so important woman, even being a "slave" and not Israelite. But King David and Jesus Christ descend from her. And her genealogy, even her 12 tribes, is listed in the Bible (fruits of Sarah's decisions and actions), together with the genealogy of the 12 tribes of Israel from the genetic seeds of Abraham and Sarah: the fruit of the seeds from God's promise.
Imagine the case of another "ABRAHAM" (a MAN of HOLINESS) and of another "SARAH LIKE" (but very perfect one, quite like the WOMAN of HOLINESS, a "MARY name one" = "BITTERED SORROWED one...", not like SARAH) that in other MORTALITY TIME, in OTHER PREVIOUS CREATION (see speech of Joseph Smith, in the funeral of King Follet), they lived very long together.
They were not worried in having children, descendants. For sure they hoped to have at least one... But they were quite old aged couple... as Abraham and Sarah...
One day, their Jehovah God, their Commandant in Chief God appeared to them. And provided them a PROMISE. They were to have so many spiritual children. In the days of immortality. In a world they were to create and organize. That their children were to be born there in a temple named Celestial Jerusalem. And their first born son should be named Jesus Crist, the son of Man of Holiness.
You will live at Jerusalem, which will be the land of you, forefathers for them. You, Mary, will remain always a virgin, a precious and chosen vessel.
A mortal genetic material from both you shall be overshadowed, in the womb of a mortal Mary from a subsequent generation from you, and fertilized cell will progress and conceive by the power of the Holy Ghost, and bring forth a son, yea, even the Son of Eloim, God, even from you.
Then they received a God's promise that they were to receive a descendent, of their own seed, a son, not an adoptive son. For sure Sarah didn't believe in God, that she is being so greatly advanced in age and not more being possible to be pregnant, could be pregnant and bear such promised son. She laughed of such God's son. Because she was God's unbeliever, she decided to "help that God's promise could be fulfilled", is that she decided to ACT for PROMISED BE FULFILED. Thus SARAH decided to call her SERVANT ("SLAVE"), AGAR, as 2nd WIFE for ABRAHAM. Thus Abraham penetrated into her "by order" of SARAH and AGAR became pregnant and beard a SON that was SARAH's SON, ISMAEL. Because AGAR was "slave = property" of SARAH. And SARAH presented HER FIRST SON, ISMAEL, to ABRAHAM, as the FIRST ABRAHAM'S SON with SARAH.
In such way God's promise was fulfilled through the hands and actions of SARAH, the unbeliever. But God's blessings were honored through Ismael, even when Sarah decided to make the expulsion of Agar and Ismael's expulsion, without support of Abraham. In both cases Ishmael was being alive with Agar being expelled and God's angels protecting and guiding him to become so important. It is clear that Agar was so important woman, even being a "slave" and not Israelite. But King David and Jesus Christ descend from her. And her genealogy, even her 12 tribes, is listed in the Bible (fruits of Sarah's decisions and actions), together with the genealogy of the 12 tribes of Israel from the genetic seeds of Abraham and Sarah: the fruit of the seeds from God's promise.
Imagine the case of another "ABRAHAM" (a MAN of HOLINESS) and of another "SARAH LIKE" (but very perfect one, quite like the WOMAN of HOLINESS, a "MARY name one" = "BITTERED SORROWED one...", not like SARAH) that in other MORTALITY TIME, in OTHER PREVIOUS CREATION (see speech of Joseph Smith, in the funeral of King Follet), they lived very long together.
They were not worried in having children, descendants. For sure they hoped to have at least one... But they were quite old aged couple... as Abraham and Sarah...
One day, their Jehovah God, their Commandant in Chief God appeared to them. And provided them a PROMISE. They were to have so many spiritual children. In the days of immortality. In a world they were to create and organize. That their children were to be born there in a temple named Celestial Jerusalem. And their first born son should be named Jesus Crist, the son of Man of Holiness.
You will live at Jerusalem, which will be the land of you, forefathers for them. You, Mary, will remain always a virgin, a precious and chosen vessel.
A mortal genetic material from both you shall be overshadowed, in the womb of a mortal Mary from a subsequent generation from you, and fertilized cell will progress and conceive by the power of the Holy Ghost, and bring forth a son, yea, even the Son of Eloim, God, even from you.
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Mortal Mary was to be quite like AGAR, in relation to Heavenly MARY, Her Heavenly Mother (the wife of Heavenly Father, the wife of MAN OF HOLINESS, the MAN OF HOLINESS as Father of Jesus Christ).
Heavenly Mary is alike AGAR as the "SERVANT" (properly being the volunteer "Heavenly MARY's SLAVE") when accepted being the PROVIDER of the first born SON of Heavenly Father (as MAN of Holiness) and of Heavenly Mother (as WOMAN of Holiness, "MARY"). Quite like AGAR was "forced" to provide similar SON such son to ABRAHAM and to SARAH.
It is quite clear that mortal MARY was not "perfect". She was like Agar and Sarah. She tried to create difficulties to Jesus' missionary/prophetic work. Jesus depreciated her in public. Because she was quite like making pressure on him to deviate his pathway of doing God's will.
Thus the description in Book of Mormon about “Mary” does not apply in "fullness" to her, the mortal Mary of this Creation. In fact, Book of Mormon describes Mary as the one now Heavenly Mother as God in Eloim. She is shown in Facsimile in Book of Abraham (with evident corruption of images and text).
(Matt.12.46-50; Mark. 3.32-35; Luke 8.19-21).
http://LDS.org/scriptures/New Testament/matt/12:46-50
46 While he yet talked to the people, behold, his mother and his brethren stood without, desiring to speak with him.
47 Then one said unto him, Behold, thy mother and thy brethren stand without, desiring to speak with thee.
48 But he answered and said unto him that told him, Who is my mother? and who are my brethren?
49 And he stretched forth his hand toward his disciples, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren!
50 For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.
Heavenly Mary is alike AGAR as the "SERVANT" (properly being the volunteer "Heavenly MARY's SLAVE") when accepted being the PROVIDER of the first born SON of Heavenly Father (as MAN of Holiness) and of Heavenly Mother (as WOMAN of Holiness, "MARY"). Quite like AGAR was "forced" to provide similar SON such son to ABRAHAM and to SARAH.
It is quite clear that mortal MARY was not "perfect". She was like Agar and Sarah. She tried to create difficulties to Jesus' missionary/prophetic work. Jesus depreciated her in public. Because she was quite like making pressure on him to deviate his pathway of doing God's will.
Thus the description in Book of Mormon about “Mary” does not apply in "fullness" to her, the mortal Mary of this Creation. In fact, Book of Mormon describes Mary as the one now Heavenly Mother as God in Eloim. She is shown in Facsimile in Book of Abraham (with evident corruption of images and text).
(Matt.12.46-50; Mark. 3.32-35; Luke 8.19-21).
http://LDS.org/scriptures/New Testament/matt/12:46-50
46 While he yet talked to the people, behold, his mother and his brethren stood without, desiring to speak with him.
47 Then one said unto him, Behold, thy mother and thy brethren stand without, desiring to speak with thee.
48 But he answered and said unto him that told him, Who is my mother? and who are my brethren?
49 And he stretched forth his hand toward his disciples, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren!
50 For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.
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1st chapter of LUKE
1 Forasmuch as many have taken in hand to set forth in order a declaration of those things which are most surely believed among us,
2 Even as they delivered them unto us, which from the beginning were eyewitnesses, and ministers of the word;
3 It seemed good to me also, having had perfect understanding of all things from the very first, to write unto thee in order, most excellent Theophilus,
4 That thou mightest know the certainty of those things, wherein thou hast been instructed.
5 ¶There was in the days of Herod, the king of Judea, a certain priest named Zacharias, of the course of Abia: and his wife was of the daughters of Aaron, and her name was Elisabeth.
6 And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless.
7 And they had no child, because that Elisabeth was barren, and they both were now well stricken in years.
8 And it came to pass, that while he executed the priest’s office before God in the order of his course,
9 According to the custom of the priest’s office, his lot was to burn incense when he went into the temple of the Lord.
10 And the whole multitude of the people were praying without at the time of incense.
11 And there appeared unto him an angel of the Lord standing on the right side of the altar of incense.
12 And when Zacharias saw him, he was troubled, and fear fell upon him.
13 But the angel said unto him, Fear not, Zacharias: for thy prayer is heard; and thy wife Elisabeth shall bear thee a son, and thou shalt call his name John.
14 And thou shalt have joy and gladness; and many shall rejoice at his birth.
15 For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink; and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother’s womb.
16 And many of the children of Israel shall he turn to the Lord their God.
17 And he shall go before him in the spirit and power of Elias, to turn the hearts of the fathers to the children, and the disobedient to the wisdom of the just; to make ready a people prepared for the Lord.
18 And Zacharias said unto the angel, Whereby shall I know this? for I am an bold man, and my wife well stricken in years.
19 And the angel answering said unto him, I am Gabriel, that stand in the presence of God; and am sent to speak unto thee, and to shew thee these glad tidings.
20 And, behold, thou shalt be dumb, and not able to speak, until the day that these things shall be performed, because thou believest not my words, which shall be fulfilled in their season.
21 And the people waited for Zacharias, and marvelled that he tarried so long in the temple.
22 And when he came out, he could not speak unto them: and they perceived that he had seen a vision in the temple: for he beckoned unto them, and remained speechless.
23 And it came to pass, that, as soon as the days of his ministration were accomplished, he departed to his own house.
24 And after those days his wife Elisabeth conceived, and hid herself five months, saying,
25 Thus hath the Lord dealt with me in the days wherein he looked on me, to take away my reproach among men.
26 And in the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent from God unto a city of Galilee, named Nazareth,
27 To a virgin espoused to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David; and the virgin’s name was Mary.
28 And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, thou that art highly favoured, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women.
29 And when she saw him, she was troubled at his saying, and cast in her mind what manner of salutation this should be.
30 And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God.
31 And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name Jesus.
32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:
33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no bend.
34 Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man?
35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.
36 And, behold, thy cousin Elisabeth, she hath also conceived a son in her bold age: and this is the sixth month with her, who was called barren.
37 For with God nothing shall be impossible.
38 And Mary said, Behold the handmaid of the Lord; be it unto me according to thy word. And the angel departed from her.
39 And Mary arose in those days, and went into the hill country with haste, into a city of Juda;
40 And entered into the house of Zacharias, and saluted Elisabeth.
41 And it came to pass, that, when Elisabeth heard the salutation of Mary, the babe leaped in her womb; and Elisabeth was filled with the Holy Ghost:
42 And she spake out with a loud voice, and said, Blessed art thou among women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb.
43 And whence is this to me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me?
44 For, lo, as soon as the voice of thy salutation sounded in mine ears, the babe leaped in my womb for joy.
45 And blessed is she that believed: for there shall be a performance of those things which were told her from the Lord.
46 And Mary said, My soul doth magnify the Lord,
47 And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour.
48 For he hath regarded the low estate of his handmaiden: for, behold, from henceforth all generations shall call me blessed.
49 For he that is mighty hath done to me great things; and holy is his name.
50 And his mercy is on them that fear him from generation to generation.
51 He hath shewed strength with his arm; he hath scattered the proud in the imagination of their hearts.
52 He hath put down the mighty from their seats, and exalted them of low degree.
53 He hath filled the hungry with good things; and the rich he hath sent empty away.
54 He hath holpen his servant Israel, in remembrance of his mercy;
55 As he spake to our fathers, to Abraham, and to his seed for ever.
56 And Mary abode with her about three months, and returned to her own house.
57 Now Elisabeth’s full time came that she should be delivered; and she brought forth a son.
58 And her neighbours and her cousins heard how the Lord had showed great mercy upon her; and they rejoiced with her.
59 And it came to pass, that on the eighth day they came to circumcise the child; and they called him Zacharias, after the name of his father.
60 And his mother answered and said, Not so; but he shall be called John.
61 And they said unto her, There is none of thy kindred that is called by this name.
62 And they made signs to his father, how he would have him called.
63 And he asked for a writing table, and wrote, saying, His name is John. And they marvelled all.
64 And his mouth was opened immediately, and his tongue loosed, and he spake, and praised God.
65 And fear came on all that dwelt round about them: and all these sayings were noised abroad throughout all the hill country of Judæa.
66 And all they that heard them laid them up in their hearts, saying, What manner of child shall this be! And the hand of the Lord was with him.
67 And his father Zacharias was filled with the Holy Ghost, and prophesied, saying,
68 Blessed be the Lord God of Israel; for he hath visited and credeemed his people,
69 And hath raised up an horn of salvation for us in the house of his servant David;
70 As he aspake by the mouth of his holy prophets, which have been since the world began:
71 That we should be saved from our enemies, and from the hand of all that hate us;
72 To perform the mercy promised to our fathers, and to remember his holy covenant;
73 The oath which he sware to our father Abraham,
74 That he would grant unto us, that we being delivered out of the hand of our enemies might serve him without fear,
75 In holiness and righteousness before him, all the days of our life.
76 And thou, child, shalt be called the prophet of the Highest: for thou shalt go before the face of the Lord to prepare his ways;
77 To give knowledge of salvation unto his people by the remission of their sins,
78 Through the tender mercy of our God; whereby the dayspring from on high hath visited us,
79 To give alight to them that sit in darkness and in the shadow of death, to guide our feet into the way of peace.
80 And the child grew, and waxed strong in spirit, and was in the deserts till the day of his shewing unto Israel.
1 Forasmuch as many have taken in hand to set forth in order a declaration of those things which are most surely believed among us,
2 Even as they delivered them unto us, which from the beginning were eyewitnesses, and ministers of the word;
3 It seemed good to me also, having had perfect understanding of all things from the very first, to write unto thee in order, most excellent Theophilus,
4 That thou mightest know the certainty of those things, wherein thou hast been instructed.
5 ¶There was in the days of Herod, the king of Judea, a certain priest named Zacharias, of the course of Abia: and his wife was of the daughters of Aaron, and her name was Elisabeth.
6 And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless.
7 And they had no child, because that Elisabeth was barren, and they both were now well stricken in years.
8 And it came to pass, that while he executed the priest’s office before God in the order of his course,
9 According to the custom of the priest’s office, his lot was to burn incense when he went into the temple of the Lord.
10 And the whole multitude of the people were praying without at the time of incense.
11 And there appeared unto him an angel of the Lord standing on the right side of the altar of incense.
12 And when Zacharias saw him, he was troubled, and fear fell upon him.
13 But the angel said unto him, Fear not, Zacharias: for thy prayer is heard; and thy wife Elisabeth shall bear thee a son, and thou shalt call his name John.
14 And thou shalt have joy and gladness; and many shall rejoice at his birth.
15 For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink; and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother’s womb.
16 And many of the children of Israel shall he turn to the Lord their God.
17 And he shall go before him in the spirit and power of Elias, to turn the hearts of the fathers to the children, and the disobedient to the wisdom of the just; to make ready a people prepared for the Lord.
18 And Zacharias said unto the angel, Whereby shall I know this? for I am an bold man, and my wife well stricken in years.
19 And the angel answering said unto him, I am Gabriel, that stand in the presence of God; and am sent to speak unto thee, and to shew thee these glad tidings.
20 And, behold, thou shalt be dumb, and not able to speak, until the day that these things shall be performed, because thou believest not my words, which shall be fulfilled in their season.
21 And the people waited for Zacharias, and marvelled that he tarried so long in the temple.
22 And when he came out, he could not speak unto them: and they perceived that he had seen a vision in the temple: for he beckoned unto them, and remained speechless.
23 And it came to pass, that, as soon as the days of his ministration were accomplished, he departed to his own house.
24 And after those days his wife Elisabeth conceived, and hid herself five months, saying,
25 Thus hath the Lord dealt with me in the days wherein he looked on me, to take away my reproach among men.
26 And in the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent from God unto a city of Galilee, named Nazareth,
27 To a virgin espoused to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David; and the virgin’s name was Mary.
28 And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, thou that art highly favoured, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women.
29 And when she saw him, she was troubled at his saying, and cast in her mind what manner of salutation this should be.
30 And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God.
31 And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name Jesus.
32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:
33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no bend.
34 Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man?
35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.
36 And, behold, thy cousin Elisabeth, she hath also conceived a son in her bold age: and this is the sixth month with her, who was called barren.
37 For with God nothing shall be impossible.
38 And Mary said, Behold the handmaid of the Lord; be it unto me according to thy word. And the angel departed from her.
39 And Mary arose in those days, and went into the hill country with haste, into a city of Juda;
40 And entered into the house of Zacharias, and saluted Elisabeth.
41 And it came to pass, that, when Elisabeth heard the salutation of Mary, the babe leaped in her womb; and Elisabeth was filled with the Holy Ghost:
42 And she spake out with a loud voice, and said, Blessed art thou among women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb.
43 And whence is this to me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me?
44 For, lo, as soon as the voice of thy salutation sounded in mine ears, the babe leaped in my womb for joy.
45 And blessed is she that believed: for there shall be a performance of those things which were told her from the Lord.
46 And Mary said, My soul doth magnify the Lord,
47 And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour.
48 For he hath regarded the low estate of his handmaiden: for, behold, from henceforth all generations shall call me blessed.
49 For he that is mighty hath done to me great things; and holy is his name.
50 And his mercy is on them that fear him from generation to generation.
51 He hath shewed strength with his arm; he hath scattered the proud in the imagination of their hearts.
52 He hath put down the mighty from their seats, and exalted them of low degree.
53 He hath filled the hungry with good things; and the rich he hath sent empty away.
54 He hath holpen his servant Israel, in remembrance of his mercy;
55 As he spake to our fathers, to Abraham, and to his seed for ever.
56 And Mary abode with her about three months, and returned to her own house.
57 Now Elisabeth’s full time came that she should be delivered; and she brought forth a son.
58 And her neighbours and her cousins heard how the Lord had showed great mercy upon her; and they rejoiced with her.
59 And it came to pass, that on the eighth day they came to circumcise the child; and they called him Zacharias, after the name of his father.
60 And his mother answered and said, Not so; but he shall be called John.
61 And they said unto her, There is none of thy kindred that is called by this name.
62 And they made signs to his father, how he would have him called.
63 And he asked for a writing table, and wrote, saying, His name is John. And they marvelled all.
64 And his mouth was opened immediately, and his tongue loosed, and he spake, and praised God.
65 And fear came on all that dwelt round about them: and all these sayings were noised abroad throughout all the hill country of Judæa.
66 And all they that heard them laid them up in their hearts, saying, What manner of child shall this be! And the hand of the Lord was with him.
67 And his father Zacharias was filled with the Holy Ghost, and prophesied, saying,
68 Blessed be the Lord God of Israel; for he hath visited and credeemed his people,
69 And hath raised up an horn of salvation for us in the house of his servant David;
70 As he aspake by the mouth of his holy prophets, which have been since the world began:
71 That we should be saved from our enemies, and from the hand of all that hate us;
72 To perform the mercy promised to our fathers, and to remember his holy covenant;
73 The oath which he sware to our father Abraham,
74 That he would grant unto us, that we being delivered out of the hand of our enemies might serve him without fear,
75 In holiness and righteousness before him, all the days of our life.
76 And thou, child, shalt be called the prophet of the Highest: for thou shalt go before the face of the Lord to prepare his ways;
77 To give knowledge of salvation unto his people by the remission of their sins,
78 Through the tender mercy of our God; whereby the dayspring from on high hath visited us,
79 To give alight to them that sit in darkness and in the shadow of death, to guide our feet into the way of peace.
80 And the child grew, and waxed strong in spirit, and was in the deserts till the day of his shewing unto Israel.
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Re: SUPREME BEING (the ONE GOD) x Distinct Gods x TREE OF LIFE
ELYSAB, you're writing volumes, but getting very little response. Less is more on a chat board.
We are all a little confused with what you are trying to say (at least I am).
Let me ask you a few questions that you could respond to. Please keep your answers to forty words or less (no charts or graphics). This would help us all in understanding you.
1. Who is God (in your opinion)?
2. Who is Jesus?
3. What is the relationship between God and Jesus?
4. How does this relate to the Mormon religion?
You don't have to express all of your beliefs at this point. It will just give us a place to start.
Thanks.
We are all a little confused with what you are trying to say (at least I am).
Let me ask you a few questions that you could respond to. Please keep your answers to forty words or less (no charts or graphics). This would help us all in understanding you.
1. Who is God (in your opinion)?
2. Who is Jesus?
3. What is the relationship between God and Jesus?
4. How does this relate to the Mormon religion?
You don't have to express all of your beliefs at this point. It will just give us a place to start.
Thanks.
This, or any other post that I have made or will make in the future, is strictly my own opinion and consequently of little or no value.
"Faith is believing something you know ain't true" Twain.
"Faith is believing something you know ain't true" Twain.
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Re: SUPREME BEING (the ONE GOD) x Distinct Gods x TREE OF LIFE
Quasimodo,
your questions are very hard. They were all (already) answered, in a quite "soft" and slowly" way.
It was very clearly stated that his themme was toward SUPREME BEING (as the ONE GOD) Who is Distinct of any and of All Gods (just Their Supreme Servands, Supreme Proxy, Supreme Divine Priests, ...) and have as symbolism being TREEs of LIFE "grafted" (and in such act of being "grafted" AROUND the SUPREME TREE OF DIVINE LIFE).
It was provided some SPECULATION in relation to our ELOHIM God, as being composed of Male and Females (6? or 12 in 3-D viewpoint???) Human Beings in eternal marriage, and all of Them are "grafted" into just "One God", Elohim God, that is "Grafted in (around) Supreme ONE GOD", quite like their Tree of Life Elohim (Male and Females, just One, impossible to separate) is grafted in the SUPREME TREE OF DIVINE LIFE, the ONE GOD, ULTIMATE and FIRST source of PRIESTHOOD.
We provided SPECULATION in relation of the ELOHIM God toward their First Born Spiritual Son, Jesus Christ, in Heavenly Jerusalem, from the MAN OF HOLINESS, and from the 1st wife, MARY, the WOMAN of HOLINESS, and how they could provide their tangible First Born Tangible Mortal Son, Jerusl Christ, not in Jerusalem, but from Mary, a "servant" alike AGAR. For sure They had the "help", the INTERVENTION, of the ONE GOD and of a God. Thus the SUPREME SPIRIT ONE GOD and the HOLY GHOST acted in conjunction, and in fact they are just "One" in Power and Perfection for such Godly so special God's promise (since from a previous Creation) be fulfilled. For sure Heavenly Fathers suffered as Abraham when was invited to offer the life of his own son, as the son of God's promise. Not the son that Sarah had promise by her own will.
ELYSAB, you're writing volumes, but getting very little response. Less is more on a chat board.
We are all a little confused with what you are trying to say (at least I am).
Let me ask you a few questions that you could respond to. Please keep your answers to forty words or less (no charts or graphics). This would help us all in understanding you.
1. Who is God (in your opinion)?
You are very confused. There is GOD (the Supreme Being, read ALMA 11, Book of Mormon: there is just One...). There are Gods, so many, endless ones... There are "gods" =God's servants, prophets. Jesus died as "god, God's servant=prophet, the GREATEST of ALL=prophets, never the GREATEST OF ALL GODS or Gods. This is blasphemy... Layer, falsehood!!! They corrupted D&C). Mormonism has corruptions... Jehovah was never greater than the Father... Did you get into the Temple, as for Endowments?
2. Who is Jesus? I guess now you understood. If not, please give up. Read science fiction books... Scy Fy?
3. What is the relationship between God and Jesus? The same as before...
4. How does this relate to the Mormon religion? See before
You don't have to express all of your beliefs at this point. It will just give us a place to start.
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Re: SUPREME BEING (the ONE GOD) x Distinct Gods x TREE OF LIFE
Quasimodo,
Your questions are very hard. They were all (already) answered, in a quite "soft" and slowly" way.
It was very clearly stated that his theme was toward SUPREME BEING (as the ONE GOD) Who is Distinct of any and of All Gods (just Their Supreme Servants, Supreme Proxy, Supreme Divine Priests, ...) and have as symbolism being TREEs of LIFE "grafted" (and in such act of being "grafted" AROUND the SUPREME TREE OF DIVINE LIFE).
It was provided some SPECULATION in relation to our ELOHIM God, as being composed of Male and Females (6? or 12 in 3-D viewpoint???) Human Beings in eternal marriage, and all of Them are "grafted" into just "One God", Elohim God, that is "Grafted in (around) Supreme ONE GOD", quite like their Tree of Life Elohim (Male and Females, just One, impossible to separate) is grafted in the SUPREME TREE OF DIVINE LIFE, the ONE GOD, ULTIMATE and FIRST source of PRIESTHOOD.
We provided SPECULATION in relation of the ELOHIM God toward their First Born Spiritual Son, Jesus Christ, in Heavenly Jerusalem, from the MAN OF HOLINESS, and from the 1st wife, MARY, the WOMAN of HOLINESS, and how they could provide their tangible First Born Tangible Mortal Son, Jesus Christ, not in Jerusalem, but from Mary, a "servant" alike AGAR. For sure They had the "help", the INTERVENTION, of the ONE GOD and of a God. Thus the SUPREME SPIRIT ONE GOD and the HOLY GHOST acted in conjunction, and in fact they are just "One" in Power and Perfection for such Godly so special God's promise (since from a previous Creation) be fulfilled. For sure Heavenly Fathers suffered as Abraham when was invited to offer the life of his own son, as the son of God's promise. Not the son that Sarah had promise by her own will.
ELYSAB, you're writing volumes, but getting very little response. Less is more on a chat board.
We are all a little confused with what you are trying to say (at least I am).
Let me ask you a few questions that you could respond to. Please keep your answers to forty words or less (no charts or graphics). This would help us all in understanding you.
1. Who is God (in your opinion)?
You are very confused. There is GOD (the Supreme Being, read ALMA 11, Book of Mormon: there is just One...). There are Gods, so many, endless ones... There are "gods" =God's servants, prophets. Jesus died as "god, God's servant=prophet, the GREATEST of ALL=prophets, never the GREATEST OF ALL GODS or Gods. This is blasphemy... Layer, falsehood!!! They corrupted D&C). Mormonism has corruptions... Jehovah was never greater than the Father... Did you get into the Temple, as for Endowments?
2. Who is Jesus? I guess now you understood. If not, please give up. Read science fiction books... Scy Fy?
3. What is the relationship between God and Jesus? The same as before...
4. How does this relate to the Mormon religion? See before
You don't have to express all of your beliefs at this point. It will just give us a place to start.
Sorry, I am 400 km far away from my town, travelling and visiting friends and relatives. I had very little time to answer this question and none to revise it, mainly its grammar.
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