Mosiah 3:19 Natural Man is God's Enemy

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Does that make God a natural enemy to man?

Yes. An enemy until you fix yourself.

So God created us defectively if we need to be fixed. Got it.

[_Hades]

What the hell is a natural man anyway. Are men naturally predisposed to rape and pillage? Do men need a holy spirit to tell them that those things are harmful?

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Does God prefer unnatural men?

[_quark]

The reason it is "self-help" is because getting God's help requires a lot of "self-work".

Why? And if it's really self-help, then what the hell does God have to do with it? Is God just Tony Robbins on steroids?

Yes, I believe God *is* just Tony Robbins but I sort of doubt the steroids thing.

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So God created us defectively if we need to be fixed. Got it.

I never said God created us but it is very possible he thinks we need to be fixed.

[_Nightlion]

This thread best shows why I am here and not out there.

Here are lots of folks who hate God, deny God, blaspheme God, and cannot get their minds off God. You are all just a tweak away from becoming true saints.

The hypocrites who congratulate themselves and one another on how well they know God and are in with him are not focused upon God at all. They are focused upon themselves. You guys are light years advanced in sainthood potentiality.

Sadly, I cannot make you saints. You know. And as obnoxious as it is, this here is the cream of the human crop of saint germs. I am here for you anytime you want to stop horsing around and want to come in from the sandbox and prepare to know God. You lovable little enemies of God you. As natural nuggets of saint dust you need a hand up to a state of righteousness only God can cause to happen. Until you are created a new creature, by the word of God's power, making the jump to hyper-light there is no way you can do anything but continue to joke around, as you are, or worse as hypocrites.

[_Hades]

Does God prefer unnatural men?

Yes.

For the unnatural man is an ally to God, and has been from the fall of Adam, and will be, forever and ever, for he yields to the enticings of the Holy Spirit, and putteth off the natural man and has become a saint through the atonement of Christ the Lord, and is as a child, submissive, meek, humble, patient, full of love, willing to submit to all things which the Lord seeth fit to inflict upon him, even as a child doth submit to his father.

Wait. A child is unnatural? Only adults are natural? We are born unnatural and then become natural?

[_Drifting]

But...wait...same sex attraction is considered unnatural by the Mormon Church, meaning gays are Gods friends...?

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The other implication is that it is unnatural to be the way god, according to the Book of Mormon, wants you to be.

[_Turkey]

and is as a child, submissive, meek, humble, patient, full of love, willing to submit to all things

It seems as if God is unlike "unnatural man", and more like "natural man" who he crated in his image, and are naturally his enemy.

My, this is perplexing.