Best Proof Of God Is God

[_sunstoned]

Respect is earned. The god of which you speak is not deserving of even a small measure. He is a practitioner of child abuse on the grandest of scales. A withholder of information. He is an author of confusion, by sitting on the sideline and allowing it to propagate. Stepping in once or twice a millennium to stir the pot with new prophet proclaiming for to right wrongs, correct courses and to restore what was never given. In the end, just more confusion. Over 300 denominations of the Christian persuasion alone. Way to go god, way to lead your children. Now stand back and watch him judge. That's the one thing your god seems to be good at. Judgment.

You speak of Tao Te Ching, or say Lao Tzu as disciples of this god. You can throw in Mohamed, Joseph Smith, the Pope and even Christ. Collectively, what did they accomplish? I only see a legacy of bickering and fighting.

Look to a god who's good works can be seen and measured. A god who will raise anyone who believes up from the fog of darkness and superstition into the light of knowledge. Confusion and darkness flee before this god. He does exist. Try his fruits. His disciples include Newton, Galileo, Einstein, Darwin and Hawking.

The blasphemy of evolution, my ass.

[_Some Schmo]

I agree, the best proof of god would be if he decided to get off his ass and show up.

I wonder why he hasn't bothered...

He is here, he has always been here, Mr. Brown, all we need is the faith to hear him. Perhaps it is YOU who needs to get up off the can and answer the door. No, not that door. The door in your heart where God stands ready to open.

The sure sign a religious person is full of crap: blame the person for god's absence.

Here's a news flash for ya: that tingling you feel in your heart isn't god; it's the effort your heart's exerting trying to crap out the nonsense you keep feeding it. Just let it happen! Oh, the exaltation you'll feel when your heart is pure and free from BS!

Take a look at the elegance of all creation. Would not such a God be just as elegant in his intimacy with each of us? He is. This way he has our undivided and not distracted attention.

The universe is elegant because it happened on its own. That's what's really amazing. Saying some god did it cheapens it badly. Don't devalue my universe with your nonsensical god crap.

If he showed up in a vulgar manifestation of his glory and power for all the world to see, how would you gain anything in the cacophonic confusion? Just not going to happen. What would be the point? God does things the way that they work best. Make no mistake about it. Nothing is more impressive to your heart and mind than truths discovered within. We are his workmanship and his workroom. Let him.

The only thing to agree with in this last paragraph is how vulgar most manifestations of the god fantasy are.

I have to admit: your inventory of crazy is endless. Now there's a miracle!

[_Drifting]

If he showed up in a vulgar manifestation of his glory and power for all the world to see, how would you gain anything in the cacophonic confusion? Just not going to happen. What would be the point?

But this has already happened, circa 0BC....

[_Nightlion]

The appearance of God in this generation would not take and none would be convinced of anything

It's quite the statement to say that God could appear to the world and that not one of the 7 billion people on earth would be convinced. I think a God should be persuasive enough to get a least a few people to believe. Sorry this just seems too convenient of an excuse for me. That God is excused from proving himself to us because nobody would believe him anyway. I'll give you credit though. I can't say I've heard a religious person try this argument before.

Again, the elegance of creation shows that God would have the best proof of his existence both abundant and easily accessible. If you are spiritually autistic and must be wrestled to the ground by God and forced to acknowledge him how would that take? You would ignore it still.

As Drifting mentioned already. Jesus Christ lived for thirty-three years among men. None acknowledged him until he applied his faith and called them unto himself. His own family thought he was beside himself. Yet the masters of Israel were astounded by him when he was only twelve years old.

I think your demand of God is to have him change the entire purpose of life and make it more like how Satan proposed that one soul not be lost. In the elegance of creation we need to access the power of God within. IT cannot be forced upon us. We must seek it and willingly submit to the connection even by covenant. THEN God can begin to sanctify and prepare us to come up higher or closer in. Without this transfiguration that MUST come within each of us there is no more progress possible.

External impressions, visions, visitations, miracles, having all things in commotion, or suddenly stilled does not the elegant and intended and necessary connection make. This is HIS creation and this is HIS way and means for our being added upon from here on out. You think all you need is an external vulgar proof? Then what? How are you going to attain power to sanctify yourself with your increased awareness of the reality of God?

You will be much worse off for it. You will know but have no power to overcome the world. You will know and slip back into blasphemy. The impotence of your own mind and will to comport yourself to the reality of God might shred your psyche and have the most debilitating results imaginable.

As the Who song finally gets around to saying " WHO THE F*** ARE YOU?
I bet you never heard a religious man say that either. Your way or God's way?

So you are only interested in maligning God and could not care less of his feelings. You have no shame.

Because I want evidence of his existence? The apostle Thomas is guilty of the same. "Except I shall see in his hands the print of the nails, and put my finger into the print of the nails, and thrust my hand into his side, I will not believe."

Again, you have already all the truly useful evidence you need. An abundance untapped and not attempted to realize. Thomas had already invested himself with Christ. You, I dare say have not. And Thomas was never doubting the existence of Christ, only doubting that he had come back from the dead.

[_Nightlion]

Respect is earned.

What a hearty early morning belly laugh that is.

All creation, seriously, take a moment to try and begin to comprehend all that we are presently aware of his works and glory. If God is then all that is credits to him having well earned all praise and glory and certainly our reverence and solemn respect and worship. What laughable irony you say.

The god of which you speak is not deserving of even a small measure. He is a practitioner of child abuse on the grandest of scales. A withholder of information. He is an author of confusion, by sitting on the sideline and allowing it to propagate. Stepping in once or twice a millennium to stir the pot with new prophet proclaiming for to right wrongs, correct courses and to restore what was never given. In the end, just more confusion. Over 300 denominations of the Christian persuasion alone. Way to go god, way to lead your children. Now stand back and watch him judge. That's the one thing your god seems to be good at. Judgment.

You speak of Tao Te Ching, or say Lao Tzu as disciples of this god. You can throw in Mohamed, Joseph Smith, the Pope and even Christ. Collectively, what did they accomplish? I only see a legacy of bickering and fighting.

You snit like you were the champion of man's right that not one soul be lost, marred, or slighted in the least. Satan's snit from the beginning seeking to overthrow the throne of God. You militant vilification is simply a war cry. We get where you are coming from. I do anyways.

Look to a god who's good works can be seen and measured. A god who will raise anyone who believes up from the fog of darkness and superstition into the light of knowledge. Confusion and darkness flee before this god. He does exist. Try his fruits. His disciples include Newton, Galileo, Einstein, Darwin and Hawking.

You may need to drop Newton, Galileo and Einstein out of there. I think they all acknowledge MY God. Besides, IF man is still alive in the year 2525 he will have discovered my God after applying what you misunderstand as some other god's beneficence, blessed be he.

The blasphemy of evolution, my ass.

I wish it were otherwise. I wish that science would be permitted to discover that my God's purposeful commanding intent alone is what gives mass to all elements. I would like to see the collective expression upon all their crest fallen faces utterly aghast in the sudden realization of their prolonged and relentlessly confident and arrogant blasphemies in their grandest of delusions that it were somehow possible that chance could account for creation.

That would be a belly laugh of inextinguishable delight. Without God nothing IS possible. He has so signed and set his signet and seal upon every particle.
He is the light and life of man. Go figure.

[_Buffalo]

[_Nightlion]

He is here, he has always been here, Mr. Brown, all we need is the faith to hear him. Perhaps it is YOU who needs to get up off the can and answer the door. No, not that door. The door in your heart where God stands ready to open.

The sure sign a religious person is full of s***: blame the person for god's absence.

Here's a news flash for ya: that tingling you feel in your heart isn't god; it's the effort your heart's exerting trying to crap out the nonsense you keep feeding it. Just let it happen! Oh, the exaltation you'll feel when your heart is pure and free from b***s***!

Take a look at the elegance of all creation. Would not such a God be just as elegant in his intimacy with each of us? He is. This way he has our undivided and not distracted attention.

The universe is elegant because it happened on its own. That's what's really amazing. Saying some god did it cheapens it badly. Don't devalue my universe with your nonsensical god crap.

If he showed up in a vulgar manifestation of his glory and power for all the world to see, how would you gain anything in the cacophonic confusion? Just not going to happen. What would be the point? God does things the way that they work best. Make no mistake about it. Nothing is more impressive to your heart and mind than truths discovered within. We are his workmanship and his workroom. Let him.

The only thing to agree with in this last paragraph is how vulgar most manifestations of the god fantasy are.

I have to admit: your inventory of crazy is endless. Now there's a miracle!

Awe Schmo, you knucklehead. Do you really expect to redefine between me and God? It is not what you think can only be a tingling thing. It is linking up with the mainframe of all eternity. It is to unplug from the matrix of man's vanity. When the link is switched on, what a rush. You are enveloped in the power of God who suddenly manifests his Almighty reality. And for proof you are instantly remade, given a new heart, a greater mind, a stronger might and an unlimited strength with Christ in God. Your existence is sanctified before the Lord, all sin is cleansed and the remembrance of it shame is gone. Revelation is poured out and all the more if you are better prepared than I was who methought I would certainly die from the effects of this powerful recreation of my entire being.

Call that NOT a tingling. Call that the preached gospel of Jesus Christ well attested by more than me down throughout all recorded history of man upon this planet. My experience that perfectly matched all recorded experiences of diverse individuals who experienced the same is absolutely scientific in its repeatable demonstration. And my life since has abounded in the same sort of miraculous fruits that those other guys showed. And in my generation, as far as I am aware, I am alone with it. Just like the solitary individuals who got it right were, for the most part, sparsely sprinkled here and there down through time. Just the way it is. Certainly not a mass hysteria event now is it?

Would that I could say it were possible that not one soul be lost. Better at least that a few be found than none. Guess all you can do is kill me now. So that you can breathe again like you want to, like you are used to, thinking it is your own power of life that is in you................NOT!

[_Some Schmo]

Awe Schmo, you knucklehead. Do you really expect to redefine between me and God?

If every theist who comes along can do it, why can't I?

Redefining god and his attributes is the theist's favorite pastime. The theistic goal isn't kicking the ball through the goal, it's moving the goal posts so nobody can score.

Here's a redefinition for you: god is jello. Have fun nailing him to a wall.

[_Nightlion]

What works is repentance done right. Look down deep inside for how that is.
What does it profit if a proof is provided and it is not received? You can neither rejoice in the proof nor praise the giver of that proof. Not that God is dead, heaven forbid, but that man has deadened himself from the discovery of God by extreme prejudicial pride refusing the principles of meekness and humility and a broken heart that rings up the attention and anticipation and leading influence of a God who is at hand and not far off.

But really, Buffalo, what is circular about my reasoning? Get down to brass tacks if you can do more than pontificate a hollow buzzphrase.

[_Nightlion]

Awe Schmo, you knucklehead. Do you really expect to redefine between me and God?

If every theist who comes along can do it, why can't I?

Redefining god and his attributes is the theist's favorite pastime. The theistic goal isn't kicking the ball through the goal, it's moving the goal posts so nobody can score.

Here's a redefinition for you: god is jello. Have fun nailing him to a wall.

Schmo, I am so proud of you, humbly I am. You have rocketed from a slight admission to theist all on one page. What's next?