A Meltdown of Epic Proportions

[_Aristotle Smith]

Cam's burr up his butt has to do with the following:

1. He thinks I have moderated his posts unfairly, and that his suspensions in the past were unjustified. To this I say, too bad. Shades supported my decision. You want me removed as a Moderator? Take it up with Shades.

2. He thinks I'm a hypocrite. He is entitled to his opinion. I think he is an asshole. We are both entitled to our opinions.

Far be it from me to agree with Cam, but the moderation here is starting to get biased. Liz can use the word asshole all she wants. Yet when I use the word, it goes straight to telestial. By the way, this is the third time that something like this has happened to me.

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

Hello,

Lest I let Dream Team speak for me...

My "burr up my butt" is this:

1) Liz is a temple recommend holding Mormon woman. She likes to engage in playful S&M imagery & swear on the Internet. I don't think that's how a Daughter of our Heavenly Father acts IAW Mormon doctrine.

2) Liz is a 5th Columnist playing both sides, and sows dischord while trying to appear to be this really cool chick. She's not, and she wages a campaign of subterfuge and backstabbing via PM, and now by having started her own board. She's neither a true Mormon nor is she a committed apostate. She has a foot in both doors and enjoys messing with both sides.

The above-mentioned two items are reason why thinks it's a horrible decision to keep her as a Moderator.

Plus she's an asshole.

V/R
DR> C

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFhWSbU7vtw

[_Doctor Scratch]

DCP has put Liz in a difficult position. Shortly after she announced on her board that she was feeling ill and that she intended to take a break, he was busy waving his hands about in a panic due to "persecution" from Scottie and Timpanogos. Then he goes on to say that the only way he'll ever behave civilly is if Liz tells him to. In other words, everyone else is wrong about his crummy attitude, and the only way he's going to listen is if Liz herself steps up and scolds him, in which case, he'll pack up his stuff and leave.

in my opinion, this is really rather abusive behavior, but that's what Dan so often does with people. He befriends them and then sets up all these conditions where he'll screw them over if he doesn't get his way. In this case, what is Liz supposed to do? (His claims about not carrying grudges are demonstrably untrue.) If she tries to intervene directly with him, he'll throw a conniption fit and then she surely knows that she'll be set up as a target of his for possibly years to come. I know that there are a lot of TBMs, even, who've been fed up with DCP but they won't say anything because (a) they think that it would be like talking to a brick wall, and/or (b) they fear retribution from him and his cadre of thuggish Mopologist cronies.

[_Yoda]

Cam's burr up his butt has to do with the following:

1. He thinks I have moderated his posts unfairly, and that his suspensions in the past were unjustified. To this I say, too bad. Shades supported my decision. You want me removed as a Moderator? Take it up with Shades.

2. He thinks I'm a hypocrite. He is entitled to his opinion. I think he is an asshole. We are both entitled to our opinions.

Far be it from me to agree with Cam, but the moderation here is starting to get biased. Liz can use the word asshole all she wants. Yet when I use the word, it goes straight to telestial. By the way, this is the third time that something like this has happened to me.

I am not the only moderator on the board. I can only speak for myself. I have never moved any of your posts for you saying the word, "asshole". Maybe Shades needs to clarify, because my understanding is that the word, asshole, is allowed in Terrestrial...obviously not in Celestial. The words which are automatically x'd out by the word censor, such as sh-- and f--- are the ones which are not allowed in Terrestrial.

[_Yoda]

Hello,

Lest I let Dream Team speak for me...

My "burr up my butt" is this:

1) Liz is a temple recommend holding Mormon woman. She likes to engage in playful S&M imagery & swear on the Internet. I don't think that's how a Daughter of our Heavenly Father acts IAW Mormon doctrine.

And who are you to judge me, particularly considering how you post? You are not a member of the LDS Church. What difference should it make to you who is living the gospel or not?

2) Liz is a 5th Columnist playing both sides, and sows dischord while trying to appear to be this really cool chick. She's not, and she wages a campaign of subterfuge and backstabbing via PM, and now by having started her own board. She's neither a true Mormon nor is she a committed apostate. She has a foot in both doors and enjoys messing with both sides.

I am a NOM...self proclaimed. If you choose to call me a 5th columnist, then so be it. I could really care less. YOU are the one who has called ME filthy names via PM, so I don't want to hear it.

And, I created a NOM board precisely because of the way you categorize me, and other NOMs...claiming I have a foot in both doors. I am not "messing with both sides". I live by own perceptions, and for some reason, that bugs you to no end. Why don't you just leave me the hell alone and I'll do the same? You take every concerted effort to attack me. We get it. You don't like me. I don't like you.

The above-mentioned two items are reason why thinks it's a horrible decision to keep her as a Moderator.

Again...take it up with Shades. He has supported my Moderating decisions...like it or not. If he thinks that I should no longer moderate here, I will acquiesce. Until then, stew in your own juices.

Plus she's an asshole.

Original. So are you.

[_Yoda]

DCP has put Liz in a difficult position. Shortly after she announced on her board that she was feeling ill and that she intended to take a break, he was busy waving his hands about in a panic due to "persecution" from Scottie and Timpanogos. Then he goes on to say that the only way he'll ever behave civilly is if Liz tells him to. In other words, everyone else is wrong about his crummy attitude, and the only way he's going to listen is if Liz herself steps up and scolds him, in which case, he'll pack up his stuff and leave.

in my opinion, this is really rather abusive behavior, but that's what Dan so often does with people. He befriends them and then sets up all these conditions where he'll screw them over if he doesn't get his way. In this case, what is Liz supposed to do? (His claims about not carrying grudges are demonstrably untrue.) If she tries to intervene directly with him, he'll throw a conniption fit and then she surely knows that she'll be set up as a target of his for possibly years to come. I know that there are a lot of TBMs, even, who've been fed up with DCP but they won't say anything because (a) they think that it would be like talking to a brick wall, and/or (b) they fear retribution from him and his cadre of thuggish Mopologist cronies.

Scratch...is this the quote you are referring to?

When I complained about the signature, and the self denigration it is because I know its fraudulent, it’s not the real Dan, which people in real life know.

I have an ironic sense of humor. A few people hate it.

I can see … that given your position … you are also in a hard place, and the online Dan is the only way for you to be safe.

If I were really concerned about my safety, I wouldn't be on message boards at all.

Thus part of this hard dilemma a friend’s board or a NOM board, or can it really be both?

The online Dan will never be compatible with an online NOM community.

I'll let Liz be the judge of whether I should leave her board or not. If she decides that she wants it to be a community of "NOMs," then I'll happily depart.

The only person that I've really had fundamental issues with on this board has been you, frankly. There have been others who have snapped at me, but -- though Chickdeario has been pretty energetic -- none has been as consistent in personally attacking and insulting me here as you have been.

Is it so far out there for me to be conflicted in this and to ask if it’s not for friends, what is your purpose here?

I don't know that people here are really obliged either to formulate precise purposes for their participation or leave. Do you demand this of anybody besides me?

I came here because Liz invited me, and because there are aspects of the conversations here that entertain and/or interest me. But certain factors here, of late -- you very prominent among them -- have made things much less pleasant, from my perspective. Nothing here is especially useful for me, so, if the cost/benefit ratio goes too high, I'll probably just gradually fade away.

I really don't see how this qualifies in "hand waving". I also think that Dan and the other members of my board have managed to resolve things themselves.

Dan actually has it pegged pretty clearly why he is a poster on my board. I invited him. No, he is not a NOM, but he is a friend. Just like I invited Blixa, who is not a NOM, but is a friend. Dan is a TBM. Blixa is a critic. Both of them, however, are friendly with me, and have interesting perspectives. I enjoy talking with them. That is really all there is to it.

[_Ceeboo]

Yea:

Well I think your Hulk lunchbox is stupid, you eat boogers, your Big Wheel is slow, and your plastic red baseball gove is pathetic and cheap.



Peace,
Ceeboo

[_Chap]

If I may be allowed a brief interjection - again I observe how much people differ in their tastes.

For me, friends are something in real life. An anonymous message board is something utterly different from real life. It can be a refreshing opportunity to move into a world where (if one chooses to act that way) nothing matters but the strength of one's arguments and the quality of one's evidence. Who you are, what your job is, and what your qualifications are count for nothing, if you so choose. As they say:



I'll basically go anywhere where I can find free discussion, with the minimum of moderation to ensure threads are not grossly derailed without the imposition of ideologically based censorship. I suppose I can see the point if a board limited to those with a particular shared experience, such as recovering from alcoholism, or from Mormonism, for that matter (though that latter has proved difficult to make work fairly by all accounts). A board just for NOMs seems interesting too, for NOMs that is. If I was a NOM, which I am not, I might however have some doubts about a board which demanded the extra qualification of being the friend of a particular person. But what does it matter what I think?

[_RockSlider]

Well it all turned out real lovely for Dan. He would look foolish to directly come back here, and the highlighting of Scratch's major violation to him of late (eyeroll) the unspeakable signature assault, was quickly locked down on MAD. Apparently he is losing his co-dependants ability to fight his battles from there.

He must have giggled in delight when Liz announced the setting of the board public. Its back to business as usual, only better … He can continue with his viscous ad hominem attacks in this rich new playground of supposed NOM centric discussion, in the full view and praise of the TBM world. While also rating 1 of the 6 closest friends, mentionable by name by Liz in "The Future of the Board" thread. Only Liz will ever be able to moderate Dan, if it were to ever come to that.

Better even than the new playground is his new podium from which he can now volley his shots at Scratch with no ability for direct interaction by Scratch. This must be orgasmic for the passive aggressive Dan we all know and love.

Where fools rush in, all the while, donut boy securely tucked under the protection of Liz's skirt.

It's like Christmas for Dan, only better

[_Jersey Girl]

Rockslider

Better even than the new playground is his new podium from which he can now volley his shots at Scratch with no ability for direct interaction by Scratch.

This fits with what I've been saying all along and I think I summed it up well when I said that the dynamic has created the same exact relationship between MDB and the Cafeteria as that which exists between MDB and MD&D. That being that there are posters on two boards who persist in engaging from afar who are either banned from posting on one board or the other, or have chosen to discontinue posting on one board or the other.

It reminds me of the old days when there were clothes lines in everyone's back yards. I have a mental image of women talking or gossiping over the clothes lines while shooting looks at their neighbors who are doing the same.

It's just weird.

I would have liked to have seen more of a separation between this board and the Cafeteria. That was the main draw for me in registering at the Cafeteria. Now that DCP has dragged his laundry basket on to the Cafeteria, I feel there will always be this never-ending back and forth and the rest of us are caught in the vortex.

I'm not liking it. I'm not sure what to do or not do about it. I do have some ideas about how to manage it for myself but I'm not sure I want to invest that much effort in cutting my own path between the two boards.

Please do not take that to be a statement that I want to take my ball and go home. If and when I decided to do that, I'd just do it without fanfare and quietly slink away. I'm just not fully certain that I want to make the effort that I have in mind when I think I am essentially out numbered in working toward what I believe might be attainable goals.

Too much like work!
:-)