Jonah wrote:I received a letter from the Bishop stating that my ex was seeking a cancelation of sealing and asking if there were any circumstances where she should be denied a cancelation. I wrote him back saying I didn't divorce her with the intention of there being any strings attached. I could care less what she did with her life.
I did question him though in my letter about how she could qualify for a temple recommend. I cited several of the questions asked in the recommend interview, and then provided him with information that if those questions were still asked, there was no way possible she could answer in the affirmative. I also mentioned that if he had any questions, I would be available with any documentation. I never heard from him again. Four weeks later she was re-married in the temple. None of the points I brought up in my letter were addressed.
About a month later my teenage daughter was interviewed by the Bishop to be allowed to be baptized for the dead. She was aware of the things her mother had done (draining my daughter's savings account of $2500 was one of the things), and was also aware of the letter I had sent questioning my ex's worthiness. She asked the Bishop how, in light of the information I had provided for him, how her mother would be able to obtain a temple recommend without, amongst other things, restitution? The Bishop responded that since I was no longer an active member, my words (letter) carried no credibility.
I don't think my letter made it to the COB. I guess my ex and her new hubby being full tithe payers has it's perks. It's all good though, I have been "blessed" in other ways. Besides my ex-mo testimony being strengthened, this Bishop was able to accomplish something I could not. He was able to get my daughter to question the truthfulness of the church and it's leaders. He "planted the seed". That was about 10 years ago and ever since she has been going down a path that will one day take her out of the cult. For that I am eternally grateful to that Bishop.
My ex wife is currently a graduate student at BYU. I also question how this is possible, considering the fact that I am fairly certain that adultery is prohibited by the church; and the timeline for "repentance" on her part doesn't match the school entrance dates, etc.
Yet another mystery of godliness.
"Joseph Smith was called as a prophet, dumb-dumb-dumb-dumb-dumb" -South Park
I have a sister-in-law who has had her first two temple marriages canceled, and is on temple marriage number three.
The stories she told to GAs to get those cancellations about H#1 and H#2 are astoundingly false. Both of them. However, neither of these guys contested it, so that she could get the clearance to get sealed another time, to the next queued up H. The claims were one was gay, and the other was physically abusive to their young kids. Both lies.
Jonah wrote:I About a month later my teenage daughter was interviewed by the Bishop to be allowed to be baptized for the dead. She was aware of the things her mother had done (draining my daughter's savings account of $2500 was one of the things), and was also aware of the letter I had sent questioning my ex's worthiness. She asked the Bishop how, in light of the information I had provided for him, how her mother would be able to obtain a temple recommend without, amongst other things, restitution? The Bishop responded that since I was no longer an active member, my words (letter) carried no credibility.
Your words appear to have been deemed 'credible' in relation to the cancellation of the sealing, yet not in terms of the actual unworthiness of your ex.
Bishops are supposed to be inspired by God through the Holy Ghost - if true, he wouldn't have needed your letter, the Holy Ghost would have prompted him not to give the recommend.
Not sure if this is a black mark against the Bishop or yet another one against The Holy Ghost.
“We look to not only the spiritual but also the temporal, and we believe that a person who is impoverished temporally cannot blossom spiritually.” Keith McMullin - Counsellor in Presiding Bishopric
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sock puppet wrote:I have a sister-in-law who has had her first two temple marriages canceled, and is on temple marriage number three.
The stories she told to GAs to get those cancellations about H#1 and H#2 are astoundingly false. Both of them. However, neither of these guys contested it, so that she could get the clearance to get sealed another time, to the next queued up H. The claims were one was gay, and the other was physically abusive to their young kids. Both lies.
Looks like they both dodged the bullet. She's not sealed to either of them anymore.
(Nevo, Jan 23) And the Melchizedek Priesthood may not have been restored until the summer of 1830, several months after the organization of the Church.
sock puppet wrote:I have a sister-in-law who has had her first two temple marriages canceled, and is on temple marriage number three.
The stories she told to GAs to get those cancellations about H#1 and H#2 are astoundingly false. Both of them. However, neither of these guys contested it, so that she could get the clearance to get sealed another time, to the next queued up H. The claims were one was gay, and the other was physically abusive to their young kids. Both lies.
Looks like they both dodged the bullet. She's not sealed to either of them anymore.
You got that right. Lucky guys--and they are both great guys!
sock puppet wrote:I have a sister-in-law who has had her first two temple marriages canceled, and is on temple marriage number three.
The stories she told to GAs to get those cancellations about H#1 and H#2 are astoundingly false. Both of them. However, neither of these guys contested it, so that she could get the clearance to get sealed another time, to the next queued up H. The claims were one was gay, and the other was physically abusive to their young kids. Both lies.
Why did the husband accused of physical abuse not challenge this? That was a horrible thing for her to do.
sock puppet wrote:I have a sister-in-law who has had her first two temple marriages canceled, and is on temple marriage number three.
The stories she told to GAs to get those cancellations about H#1 and H#2 are astoundingly false. Both of them. However, neither of these guys contested it, so that she could get the clearance to get sealed another time, to the next queued up H. The claims were one was gay, and the other was physically abusive to their young kids. Both lies.
Why did the husband accused of physical abuse not challenge this? That was a horrible thing for her to do.
He wanted away from her. I don't know more details. The 'reasons' that she gave for the cancellations only leaked out about 2 years ago, and one cancellation was in mid-90s and the other about 9 years ago. What I heard was merely relayed to me by my wife, who heard it from her TBM mother. It's not exactly like I can do 20 questions with my TBM MIL, but I'd like to--just don't think it would get me any information. My wife told me just because I'd told her repeatedly over the years that I'd never heard of anyone but her sister being given more than one cancellation. But a SP friend of mine said told me there's no number cap, each cancellation request is reviewed on its own separate merits, but prior cancellations only reflect on the believe-ability of the applicant.
I had to give permission to my ex-wife's Bishop to "decertify" our sealing. He actually called me up, and asked me for permission to dissove my temple sealing.
I told him, "I'm disinclined to cooperate with you and my ex-spouse over this matter."
She got the temple "divorce" and was sealed to her new spouse. I'm happy for her. <- How's that for a woman-hater?
V/R Dr. Cam
In the face of madness, rationality has no power - Xiao Wang, US historiographer, 2287 AD.
Every record...falsified, every book rewritten...every statue...has been renamed or torn down, every date...altered...the process is continuing...minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Ideology is always right.
sock puppet wrote:However, neither of these guys contested it, so that she could get the clearance to get sealed another time, to the next queued up H.
Sounds like these guys wanted to be rid of their ex more than they wanted not to be known as gay or child beaters. Wow, the woman must have been a real piece of work.
Mormonism ceased being a compelling topic for me when I finally came to terms with its transformation from a personality cult into a combination of a real estate company, a SuperPac, and Westboro Baptist Church. - Kishkumen
to be an interesting dynamic of Mormonism. It serves as a firewall for the leadership and faithful against anything (true or not) that an apostate might say about the Church or any of its members.
Just rejecting what an apostate might say, out of hand and without any forensic evaluation, encourages the remaining flock to stay right where they are.
And this man, this bishop, is going to be a judge in Israel. Well, there will certainly be miscarriages of justice for those in the geographical bounds of his ward.
You got that right.
I must be the strange one because to me truth is truth regardless of the source. I am soooooooo glad this Bishop responded the way he did to my daughter. She was one of those who was brainwashed through primary, seminary, YW, etc, that the Bishop was a "judge in Israel", one of the "Lord's anointed", had the "sprit of discernment", and all that other BS that comes with being a TBM. To see the "man behind the curtain" was a real eye opener for her. She didn't appreciate her truthful, loving, father being crapped on by a man who was rewarding her mother for poor behavior.
I think she was also hoping the Bishop would make her mother give back the money she had stolen (from my daughter and her siblings) before allowing her mother to "enjoy the blessings" of the temple and a temple wedding. Didn't happen. Thanks Bish.
Red flags look normal when you're wearing rose colored glasses.