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[_Jonah]

One has to wonder why the hell they send a letter to the ex at all.

HAH!! The letter doesn't mean a DAMN thing!! The church will do whatever it wants (and ALWAYS leans towards the full-tithe paying member).

[_Jonah]

Your words appear to have been deemed 'credible' in relation to the cancellation of the sealing, yet not in terms of the actual unworthiness of your ex.

Bishops are supposed to be inspired by God through the Holy Ghost - if true, he wouldn't have needed your letter, the Holy Ghost would have prompted him not to give the recommend.

Not sure if this is a black mark against the Bishop or yet another one against The Holy Ghost.

I could be mistaken, but I thought all cancellation of sealings ended up going through "The Brethren". If so, that would be ANOTHER black mark against their so called "Spirit of Discernment". Or perhaps the Holy Spook was on vacation again.

[_why me]

About a month later my teenage daughter was interviewed by the Bishop to be allowed to be baptized for the dead. She was aware of the things her mother had done (draining my daughter's savings account of $2500 was one of the things), and was also aware of the letter I had sent questioning my ex's worthiness. She asked the Bishop how, in light of the information I had provided for him, how her mother would be able to obtain a temple recommend without, amongst other things, restitution? The Bishop responded that since I was no longer an active member, my words (letter) carried no credibility.
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I don't think that it had much to do with you being active or inactive. But it is between your ex and god. Many bishops will not get involved in a domestic spat. If your exwife was dishonest in her temple interview, there was nothing for her bishop to do. He must accept her answers. And I don't think that any good bishop would answer your daughter with: since your dad is inactive, what he says doesn't matter. But that is only my take on it.

[_Jonah]

And I don't think that any good bishop would answer your daughter with: since your dad is inactive, what he says doesn't matter. But that is only my take on it.

Then I guess that would make him a bad Bishop. I'll agree with you on that.

[_why me]

The stories she told to GAs to get those cancellations about H#1 and H#2 are astoundingly false. Both of them. However, neither of these guys contested it, so that she could get the clearance to get sealed another time, to the next queued up H. The claims were one was gay, and the other was physically abusive to their young kids. Both lies.

The GAs must accept what the woman was saying. They can not contest it without proof. Also, in divorce cases all kinds of crap is said about the other. The local leaders do not want to get involved in domestic spats between exes. However, all lies are between that person lying and god. And that is the way it should be. If not, what we would have is the LDS church getting involved in all sorts of crap from formerly married couples.

[_why me]

And I don't think that any good bishop would answer your daughter with: since your dad is inactive, what he says doesn't matter. But that is only my take on it.

Then I guess that would make him a bad Bishop. I'll agree with you on that.

These guys are only human. Or your daughter or you are remembering it wrong in context. I can see a bishop telling a daughter that it is difficult because her dad is no longer active and all such things can not be verified. But even then, it becomes whose word is believeable. And this is what a bishop would want to avoid in a ex-spouse spat.

[_why me]

Bishops are supposed to be inspired by God through the Holy Ghost - if true, he wouldn't have needed your letter, the Holy Ghost would have prompted him not to give the recommend.

Not sure if this is a black mark against the Bishop or yet another one against The Holy Ghost.

Why would the holy ghost want to get involved in a ex-spouse domestic spat? All lies are between the liar and his or her god. If the holy ghost would get involved in every marriage tiff between exspouses, he would have no time for other things. The bishop can only do so much. Free will is a wonderful thing.

[_Jonah]

These guys are only human. Or your daughter or you are remembering it wrong in context. I can see a bishop telling a daughter that it is difficult because her dad is no longer active and all such things can not be verified. But even then, it becomes whose word is believeable. And this is what a bishop would want to avoid in a ex-spouse spat.

If I recall, you seem to use the "These guys are only human" excuse quite often. Haaa haaa...what a cop-out.

No, there was no "mis-remembering" by me or my daughter. I was sent a letter from the Bishop asking for my response. I raised a question, provided truth, and offered documentation to back up my truths. There was no "ex-spouse" spat. Just simple facts that any "human guy" would easily be able to digest. He didn't want to confront the full-tithe paying members. It was easier to throw me under the bus. He just did so with the wrong person who knew the facts as well...my daughter.

PAY LAY ALE!! Oh god, hear the words of my mouth...thank you, thank you, thank you for having this Bishop speak to my daughter in such a way.

[_keithb]

The GAs must accept what the woman was saying. They can not contest it without proof. Also, in divorce cases all kinds of crap is said about the other. The local leaders do not want to get involved in domestic spats between exes. However, all lies are between that person lying and god. And that is the way it should be. If not, what we would have is the LDS church getting involved in all sorts of crap from formerly married couples.

Wait a second ... aren't these the same posers that claim to talk to God daily? Why can't they dispute what they say.

For example, Thomas Monson could pose the question to Jesus something like this (during one of their weekly brunches in the Salt Lake temple):

Monson: "I have a lady here named ____________ that claims that her ex husband is gay. What do you have to say about that?"

Jesus: "Well, the man is actually as straight as an arrow, with his only gayness coming from a brocrush on Gerard Butler. However, his wife is an adulteress, and she wears terrible perfume."

Monson: "Okay, thanks JC. I'll be sure to have her excommunicated and sent a sampler pack from Maceys."

Seriously, you would think that for a being capable of creating the whole world, telling Thomas & Co. when someone is lying would be easy.

[_why me]

PAY LAY ALE!! Oh god, hear the words of my mouth...thank you, thank you, thank you for having this Bishop speak to my daughter in such a way.

Well, now you provided more detail. Here is the point: people are people. Not all bishops are alike. But if your daughters testimony depended on the bishop, well, what can I say. In the LDS church people use all sorts of excuses to leave the LDS church. The bishop said this or the SP said that. How could he say this or that? But as for me, I know that these guys and ladies are human beings going through their own life process with all the stress that life carries with it. I don't expect them to be perfect and always say the right thing. We are all learning in the life process.