Buffalo wrote:That's not true, stem. No matter how well ANYTHING is proven, any number of unlikely possibilities always remain. For example, while it's been proven that smoking causes cancer, it's still technically possible that aliens are somehow giving smokers the cancer to fool the researchers. That's just as likely as any of the hypotheticals you bring up in defense of your faith.
I know I"m speaking about disproving.
I can't disprove that aliens are responsible for lung cancer. Take that, medical science!
Parley P. Pratt wrote:We must lie to support brother Joseph, it is our duty to do so.
Themis wrote:Actually it's up to us to decide if he was ever a prophet of God. We look at his behavior as one way to see if it is likely or plausible. His behavior was very poor. There is more then enough evidence to conclude this. He couldn't even keep his own rules. This is why many members don't like what they find. If anyone is likely to give Joseph a break it would be members of the church, and many of them can't go that far based on the evidence available.
I agree that's its a personal preferential assessment. That's my point. Its not so clear to many a Mormon that Joseph Smith' behavior was very poor, particularly in light of the circumstances. To you it is a fact. To many an LDS it is not a fact. To me it is not so black and white either way. Thus, the impasse. But you stating your opinion is the facts of the case is not helpful for discussion for those who disagree with your opinion.
The vast majority of Mormons have no idea what Joseph Smith's behavior actually was.
Parley P. Pratt wrote:We must lie to support brother Joseph, it is our duty to do so.
I'm not here to defend my faith, but I am here to discuss and at times to defend the claims of the Church. There is a difference there, but I fear you don't see it. Let me know.
stemelbow, you said in the above post that there is a difference between: 1. Defending your faith And 2. Defending the claims of the Church.
Does this mean your faith is different to the claims of the Church and if so, can you explain the difference please?
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Buffalo wrote:The vast majority of Mormons have no idea what Joseph Smith's behavior actually was.
no man knows his history. Assuming there's an afterlife, he's probably sitting there right now going, "That's certainly not what I was thinking" when it comes to the thoughts people have planted in his head, posthumously.
Love ya tons, Stem
I ain't nuttin'. don't get all worked up on account of me.
Buffalo wrote:The vast majority of Mormons have no idea what Joseph Smith's behavior actually was.
no man knows his history. Assuming there's an afterlife, he's probably sitting there right now going, "That's certainly not what I was thinking" when it comes to the thoughts people have planted in his head, posthumously.
Stemelbow, you can see that's a hypothetical, right?
“We look to not only the spiritual but also the temporal, and we believe that a person who is impoverished temporally cannot blossom spiritually.” Keith McMullin - Counsellor in Presiding Bishopric
"One, two, three...let's go shopping!" Thomas S Monson - Prophet, Seer, Revelator
Buffalo wrote:The vast majority of Mormons have no idea what Joseph Smith's behavior actually was.
no man knows his history. Assuming there's an afterlife, he's probably sitting there right now going, "That's certainly not what I was thinking" when it comes to the thoughts people have planted in his head, posthumously.
You don't need to read a sexual predator's mind to be able to condemn his actions.
Parley P. Pratt wrote:We must lie to support brother Joseph, it is our duty to do so.
Drifting wrote:Stemelbow, you can see that's a hypothetical, right?
I don't get the fuss you're trying to make. I said its difficult answering the types of hypotheticals put Old Testament me by SP. It does not mean hypotheticals are in general useless.
Love ya tons, Stem
I ain't nuttin'. don't get all worked up on account of me.