I'm a Woman?

[_Kishkumen]

Too much frisbee golf for my liking.

I hear ya.

[_Doctor Scratch]

Dr. Scratch is the smartest person on any Mormon message board, period.

Just saying.

Bless you, Paul. Your kindness and generosity are beyond measure.

Now, I'm leaving to go back to my show and enjoy the moment.

Hey, Simon -- I'm moving into a my dream apartment come January 2nd. The Ilume on Cedar Springs, Dallas!! Hell yeah! Lot's of boys there!

Paul O

A hearty congratulations to you!

[_Simon Belmont]

Simon, you don't even discern what you are looking at. It is impossible to try to explain anything to you. You are as perceptive as a tomato plant.

And you can't admit when you're wrong. Guess what, Kishkumen? You aren't always right.

We are people enjoying MDB. Chatting together. Having a little fun. That is who "we" are. Sorry you don't get that. You are too uptight and self-righteous.

At what cost? Sure, the bullies at my Jr. High school had a "little fun" when they beat up on people too. That doesn't make it right -- far from it. You yourself said:

Life is too hard for everyone without all of this nonsense. Daniel no more needs this drama in his life than I do, and I can't help but think that there is something fundamentally unhealthy in continually dredging up the past to beat up on anyone like this.

And

Daniel has been nothing but kind and polite to me outside of the heated arguments we have had online, and I can't in good conscience attack him or stand by and not comment when other people do. My comment: I denounce these incessant attacks.

I am just doing what you would do, Kishkumen. I am commenting on yet another (of the hundreds) of DCP threads started by Scratch. I asked one simple, benign question. Scratch can't answer it.

You even said

There is a time for compassion and grace extended to our fellow human beings. Now is that time for me. Daniel, I am sorry.

Which I thought was very grown-up of you. Now you resort back to Jr. High? What's your deal?

No one owes you anything, Simon. You can't defend yourself and thus you have no moral standing. You are in no position to judge anyone.

I'm not? have I been on a five+ year crusade of slander, libel, character assassination, defamation, and reputation destruction against another human being?

No? Then I can ask for justification if someone else has. And guess what? This board is free speech.

[_Doctor Scratch]

Well, what do you know? As luck would have it, Dr. Peterson has been reading this thread!

LOL. It appears that I need to apologize.

My hypersecretive Malevolent Stalker is actually male -- and a rage-fueled sexist, to boot. He has, it seems, absolutely blown a gasket elsewhere because I referred to him, above, as "she," and has started yet another thread about me (his fourth or fifth, I think, in the past few days) in order to hyperventilate about what he clearly regards as one of the worst insults that could be directed against him.

I was just being even-handed -- since I knew nothing whatever about his personal circumstances, including his gender, it seemed to me fair and reasonable to refer to him as a "she." But he apparently regards it as a terrible thing to be female.

My apologies to the Stalker. (I know that he'll read this.)

[_quark]

Why did DCP leave this place? He seems to enjoy the parade. He enjoys it so much, he has to joke about it with cronies on yonder board.

But I need to be understanding. We all look for validation in various ways.

[_Kishkumen]

And you can't admit when you're wrong. Guess what, Kishkumen? You aren't always right.

You know you are lying. We have been through this particular point so many times I can't see how you can write this without tossing your cookies. You are low.

At what cost? Sure, the bullies at my Jr. High school had a "little fun" when they beat up on people too. That doesn't make it right -- far from it.

Guess what, Simon? I am not picking on anyone. No one. My fun is not derived from picking on anyone. Yours most definitely is. You pick at people incessantly in order to get your rocks off being Mr. Righteous, all the while exhibiting a level of dishonesty that is frankly stunning.

I am just doing what you would do, Kishkumen. I am commenting on yet another (of the hundreds) of DCP threads started by Scratch. I asked one simple, benign question. Scratch can't answer it.

I don't take back my words, Simon. And I am not attacking Daniel. I just don't see the point. Neither party is innocent here, a point which you have failed to miss. Daniel has provoked Scratch by posting about him on other boards. My sympathy for him diminishes as he seems to enjoy stirring the pot. But, so be it. It is not my business.

Which I thought was very grown-up of you. Now you resort back to Jr. High? What's your deal?

I am not attacking Daniel. At the same time, I am not going to take up the role of his defender, when it is clear that he will post about his "Malevolent Stalker" when he is bored or what have you. It seems that you are once again left searching for a point. I don't have to like your approach to your self-appointed crusade, Simon. I don't even have to like the crusade. And those facts don't place me in "Jr. High." They simply reveal my boredom with you and your tedious shenanigans.

I'm not? have I been on a five+ year crusade of slander, libel, character assassination, defamation, and reputation destruction against another human being?

No? Then I can ask for justification if someone else has. And guess what? This board is free speech.

Simon, you have lied repeatedly on your long, dreary march to the Holy Land to defend your Master. You were the one who set yourself up as a moral paragon only to demonstrate repeatedly how phony that was. As you monkeys are wont to point out, this is one little obscure board on the interwebs, which very few souls visit, and then mostly for friendship and entertainment. Who gives a crap what people do here? Just ignore it for the love of Pete, and it would more likely go away. Ah, but that would be expecting sanity.

[_Simon Belmont]

I am not picking on anyone... And I am not attacking Daniel...I am not attacking Daniel.

No, conveniently not. You're safely behind the line of fire, only unquestioningly supporting the person who has been on a five+ year attack of DCP; you're innocent.

And if you can live with yourself with that justification, I can't say much more to help you.

it is clear that he will post about his "Malevolent Stalker" when he is bored or what have you. It seems that you are once again left searching for a point. I don't have to like your approach to your self-appointed crusade, Simon. I don't even have to like the crusade. And those facts don't place me in "Jr. High." They simply reveal my boredom with you and your tedious shenanigans.

But I have to like Scratch's crusade?

Seriously? Someone who has been maligned, derided, berated, and slandered endlessly for five+ years is just supposed to sit back and ignore it?

I just asked one, simple question. Why? I've never heard any specifics, let alone any action that would justify such a crusade, so all I am doing in this thread is asking Scratch why? Why is that so wrong?

[_Doctor Scratch]

The Rev. Kishkumen is merely restating the obvious, which is that Dan enjoys all of this, hence why he told Dan Wotherspoon that he's "having fun" when he participates on the board. He likes picking fights and playing the martyr. I said nary a word about him for a four or five week span in October, and what do you know? He was busy launching threads about me over on The Cafeteria--threads which ultimately precipitated the end of that board.

Yes, I do think that DCP sometimes gets worn down: it's got to be tough to have to face down nearly three decades of relentlessly crappy behavior, viciousness, smear tactics, and what have you. But he always goes through his usual cycle of depressive funk only to spring back, ready for yet more bellicose action.

His own friends have told him: if he just quits posting, people will largely quit picking on him, but he doesn't listen. My own two cents--and I've said this before--is that he's squandered his professional life. Instead of a bunch of worthwhile books and articles on Middle Eastern subjects, what we're left with is this huge body of Mopologetic works, and it's just hard for me to fathom a bright person pissing his life away in that fashion. What a tragedy. I mean, when you step back: this is just a colossal waste. Yes: he's done some lectures and led some tours, participated on panels and in conferences and what have you. Big whoop. The stuff that really should have mattered is the stuff he passed up in order to do apologetics. (He'll cite his editing work for METI as something important, but it's really pretty small potatoes, all things considered.)

And the problem with you and your ilk, Simon, is that you just keep encourage the crappy stuff. Wouldn't the world be a better place if Dr. Peterson focused on his Middle Easter scholarship, and on projects like Mormon Scholars Testify? You know the answer is, "Yes," and so does he, because he's said the same thing repeatedly.

So, all that said, I'm more than happy to continue commenting upon his Mopologetics and online antics for as long as he keeps it up.

[_Kishkumen]

No, conveniently not. You're safely behind the line of fire, only unquestioningly supporting the person who has been on a five+ year attack of DCP; you're innocent.

And if you can live with yourself with that justification, I can't say much more to help you.

Justification of what? If I see two guys who love to take swipes at each other over and over and over again, it doesn't take too long for me to figure out that it is not my moral imperative jump in between them. I am not running over to MDD to defend Scratch's honor or some such. I am here knocking on you for being a boring twit.

But I have to like Scratch's crusade?

Seriously? Someone who has been maligned, derided, berated, and slandered endlessly for five+ years is just supposed to sit back and ignore it?

I just asked one, simple question. Why? I've never heard any specifics, let alone any action that would justify such a crusade, so all I am doing in this thread is asking Scratch why? Why is that so wrong?

Simon, this is just a pack of feces. From top to bottom. No one cares about what you think about all of this. You are boring. You are dishonest. I wouldn't mind you doing what you do if you had the least talent or insight to recommend your posts to anyone. But you don't. And your questions have been answered. Just cut it out already. Find another approach. This "golly gee I just don't understand" crap is just juvenile. No one buys it. Are you really so bankrupt of imagination that this is all you can do?

[_Simon Belmont]

The Rev. Kishkumen is merely restating the obvious, which is that Dan enjoys all of this, hence why he told Dan Wotherspoon that he's "having fun" when he participates on the board. He likes picking fights and playing the martyr. I said nary a word about him for a four or five week span in October, and what do you know? He was busy launching threads about me over on The Cafeteria--threads which ultimately precipitated the end of that board.

Yes, I do think that DCP sometimes gets worn down: it's got to be tough to have to face down nearly three decades of relentlessly crappy behavior, viciousness, smear tactics, and what have you. But he always goes through his usual cycle of depressive funk only to spring back, ready for yet more bellicose action.

His own friends have told him: if he just quits posting, people will largely quit picking on him, but he doesn't listen. My own two cents--and I've said this before--is that he's squandered his professional life. Instead of a bunch of worthwhile books and articles on Middle Eastern subjects, what we're left with is this huge body of Mopologetic works, and it's just hard for me to fathom a bright person pissing his life away in that fashion. What a tragedy. I mean, when you step back: this is just a colossal waste. Yes: he's done some lectures and led some tours, participated on panels and in conferences and what have you. Big whoop. The stuff that really should have mattered is the stuff he passed up in order to do apologetics. (He'll cite his editing work for METI as something important, but it's really pretty small potatoes, all things considered.)

I guess this the best answer I am going to get from you. To your credit, it's more than I expected. So thanks for that. I really wish someone would go through and list the "nearly three decades of relentlessly crappy behavior, viciousness, smear tactics, and what have you" that you always talk about. I'm just not seeing it. I honestly don't see it.

And the problem with you and your ilk, Simon, is that you just keep encourage the crappy stuff. Wouldn't the world be a better place if Dr. Peterson focused on his Middle Easter scholarship, and on projects like Mormon Scholars Testify? You know the answer is, "Yes," and so does he, because he's said the same thing repeatedly.

Yes, I agree with you there. Although, if I'm not mistaken, you hate MST. You've repeatedly commented on it negatively. Do you like it now? I like it a lot. I think it's a great idea, for what it's worth.