I'm a Woman?

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Re: I'm a Woman?

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Simon Belmont wrote:Liz, the behavior of critics and anti-Mormons over the last 180+ years has been far, far worse than any apologetic ribbing done by all LDS apologists combined. It's no contest. Instead of complaining about it for 5+ years, it would be more logical to do something to change the behavior of critics, or at least be a voice for change. But what do we see instead? The Buffalo's, the schreech's, the Infymus's, the Rollo Tomasi's, the Darth J's, and etc. -- going 180 years back -- display some of the worst behavior.


What specifically have I done, Simon, that lumps me in with the "critics and anti-Mormons over the last 180+ years," Simon?

Before you go any further, I would like you to know that Mormon apologists and the perpetrators of the Mountain Meadows Massacre are on the same moral ground.
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Doctor Scratch wrote:
Simon Belmont wrote: But, in the spirit of cooperation, I decided to compromise and answered the first (and lengthiest) part of your question.


No... You answered the most irrelevant part of my question. As you yourself have been pointing out, my focus really isn't on Mormonism/the Church per se; rather, it has more to do with Mopologetics and DCP. So you deliberately dodged the critical portion of the question.

Just as I thought you would. But it doesn't matter either way. I'm more than happy for you to assume that I do things for no reason whatever. Mere anarchy loosed upon the world, etc.


I see that you target "Mopolgetics" and DCP. I think (random guess based on observation) that you do it for multiple reasons. I think that a main part of what you do has to do with framing your posts to serve as a reflection/mirror image of the posts/articles/techniques/tactics of "Mopologists".

I'm not entirely certain why you focus on DCP other than the fact that he is prominent, accessible in the realm of "Mopologetics" and that you believe that he brings an enormous level of influence on fellow "Mopolgetics" and has used that influence to negatively impact the lives of others such as D. Michael Quinn.

I admit I don't fully know what I'm talking about here, I don't know all the ins and outs of say, the Quinn story. These are simply the inferences I make based on observation.

If I have you even close to right, I'd like you to confirm that for me choosing any method of communication that you wish.
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Jersey Girl wrote:and has used that influence to negatively impact the lives of others such as D. Michael Quinn... I don't know all the ins and outs of say, the Quinn story.


The Dr. Quinn situation has been shown to be nothing like Scratch thought it was. The time-lines don't add up, and, at one point Scratch conceded the point:

Scratch wrote: For some reason, Shades and others seem to have gotten the impression that I thought DCP was the “chief engineer” behind the Quinn smear campaign. I never believed such a thing, and to my knowledge never stated such a thing either. My position all along—based on the facts and statements at hand—has been that DCP merely participated in the gossip


So I cannot accept the Dr. Quinn accusations as fact without some concrete evidence, of which none has surfaced (aside from heresay).

Scratch, I really wish you'd open up a bit: I know you don't like me, but I really want to know what justifies your five year [whateveryouwanttocallit] against DCP.
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Simon Belmont wrote:
Jersey Girl wrote:and has used that influence to negatively impact the lives of others such as D. Michael Quinn... I don't know all the ins and outs of say, the Quinn story.


The Dr. Quinn situation has been shown to be nothing like Scratch thought it was. The time-lines don't add up, and, at one point Scratch conceded the point:

Scratch wrote: For some reason, Shades and others seem to have gotten the impression that I thought DCP was the “chief engineer” behind the Quinn smear campaign. I never believed such a thing, and to my knowledge never stated such a thing either. My position all along—based on the facts and statements at hand—has been that DCP merely participated in the gossip


So I cannot accept the Dr. Quinn accusations as fact without some concrete evidence, of which none has surfaced (aside from heresay).

Scratch, I really wish you'd open up a bit: I know you don't like me, but I really want to know what justifies your five year [whateveryouwanttocallit] against DCP.


Belmont,

Please read my post again. I am not speaking (typing) specifically about the Quinn story. I am trying my butt off, to address Scratch's approach and why it exists.
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Jersey Girl wrote:
Belmont,

Please read my post again. I am not speaking (typing) specifically about the Quinn story. I am trying my butt off, to address Scratch's approach and why it exists.


I stand corrected.
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Jersey Girl wrote:
I'm not entirely certain why you focus on DCP other than the fact that he is prominent, accessible in the realm of "Mopologetics" and that you believe that he brings an enormous level of influence on fellow "Mopolgetics" and has used that influence to negatively impact the lives of others such as D. Michael Quinn.

I admit I don't fully know what I'm talking about here, I don't know all the ins and outs of say, the Quinn story. These are simply the inferences I make based on observation.

If I have you even close to right, I'd like you to confirm that for me choosing any method of communication that you wish.


This is pretty much dead-on.
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Doctor Scratch wrote:
Jersey Girl wrote:
I'm not entirely certain why you focus on DCP other than the fact that he is prominent, accessible in the realm of "Mopologetics" and that you believe that he brings an enormous level of influence on fellow "Mopolgetics" and has used that influence to negatively impact the lives of others such as D. Michael Quinn.

I admit I don't fully know what I'm talking about here, I don't know all the ins and outs of say, the Quinn story. These are simply the inferences I make based on observation.

If I have you even close to right, I'd like you to confirm that for me choosing any method of communication that you wish.


This is pretty much dead-on.


Oh thank you, Scratch. I just wanted to know if my assessment was even close to accurate. Testing myself, you know?
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Simon Belmont wrote:The Dr. Quinn situation has been shown to be nothing like Scratch thought it was. The time-lines don't add up, and, at one point Scratch conceded the point:

Scratch wrote: For some reason, Shades and others seem to have gotten the impression that I thought DCP was the “chief engineer” behind the Quinn smear campaign. I never believed such a thing, and to my knowledge never stated such a thing either. My position all along—based on the facts and statements at hand—has been that DCP merely participated in the gossip


So I cannot accept the Dr. Quinn accusations as fact without some concrete evidence, of which none has surfaced (aside from heresay).



You clearly don't know what you're talking about, Simon. (E.g., what do you think the "accusations" actually are?)
"[I]f, while hoping that everybody else will be honest and so forth, I can personally prosper through unethical and immoral acts without being detected and without risk, why should I not?." --Daniel Peterson, 6/4/14
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sock puppet wrote:That does not address Kish's question. If DCP wants Dr Scratch to leave DCP alone, why does DCP poke Dr Scratch even in times when Dr Scratch has been quiet for a stretch about DCP?

Has it occurred to you DCP sycophants that perhaps the Bellicose One actually likes the attention from Dr Scratch, and likes playing the victim?


In the quest to add some kind of greater meaning to his life, Simon has sadly gone off course. Why would anyone work up great moral outrage in defense of someone, who, given a little breathing room, apparently misses the negative attention he was getting from his so-called stalker and decides to provoke the stalker to action again?

And, it raises the very pertinent question: what kind of stalker actually requires this kind of inducement?

The whole thing is completely bogus. I understand entertainment. What I don't get is the completely misdirected moral outrage of Simon Belmont. He's gotta feel kind of used here, if he has any brains.
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Doctor Scratch wrote:You clearly don't know what you're talking about, Simon. (E.g., what do you think the "accusations" actually are?)


That's why I am asking you.

But you're silent on the matter. I can only assume that you have no real reason for your five year focus on DCP. It's been shown, both by DCP and yourself, that there really is no Dr. Quinn connection to DCP. The stuff DCP wrote on SHIELDS is very mild compared to what the critics wrote back, so that definitely doesn't justify your crusade. The thing with GoodK is none of your business, and you have no idea what went on -- all you have is GoodK's word, and he's jaded anyway.

So what are we left with? What justifies a five year crusade to defame, belittle, and slander someone's real life identity?

Kishkumen wrote:In the quest to add some kind of greater meaning to his life, Simon has sadly gone off course. Why would anyone work up great moral outrage in defense of someone, who, given a little breathing room, apparently misses the negative attention he was getting from his so-called stalker and decides to provoke the stalker to action again?


Again, creating threads about an online pseudonym (from which the person behind Scratch safely hides) is very different from attacking the real identity of a person.

The whole thing is completely bogus. I understand entertainment. What I don't get is the completely misdirected moral outrage of Simon Belmont. He's gotta feel kind of used here, if he has any brains.


Constantly taunting DCP with signature lines, calling him an anti-semite when it is well known that he is a middle-east scholar and enthusiast, seeking the man's son's Amazon wish list and posting and mocking it, calling him "human dung heap" and so forth, and starting thread after thread attacking DCP. That is the moral outrage, and I assure you that it is not misdirected. If you believe it is, your moral compass is severely misaligned.
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