Our first visit from the bishopric

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Re: Our first visit from the bishopric

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Runtu wrote:
Rambo wrote:Sometimes I think you show more of who you really are on the internet.

I think most people do, including me.

This is precisely why I don't really believe in "online personas." An ass on the Internet is probably just a closeted ass in real life.
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Buffalo wrote:Not all of us appreciate having someone pretend to be our friends in order to manipulate us into doing something.


I don't' see the need to constantly attribute poor motives to others, though. While I get this can be the case, it doesn't mean it is always.
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MsJack wrote:This is precisely why I don't really believe in "online personas." An ass on the Internet is probably just a closeted ass in real life.


Ah shoot. I had hope for you in real life. Stop pouting. I know we've had our differences. I'm just playing.
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why me wrote:
Ceeboo wrote:

Another completely ignorant and off topic post delivered by my favorite Catholic Latter Day Saint. (Bizarre!)

Peace,
Ceeboo


How is it off topic? First, former Mormons on this forum love to bring up Mormon history as a sign the LDS church is false. They love to mention MMM as an example. Then, we have the nauvoo expositor as another example. Catholic history is far from perfect and when one looks at catholic history, MMM and the nauvoo expositor incident looks like a garden party.



But Quark didn't bring any of these things up did he? No he didn't but you saw yet another opportunity to insert unrelated negative comments about the Catholic church into a conversation.
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stemelbow wrote:
Buffalo wrote:Not all of us appreciate having someone pretend to be our friends in order to manipulate us into doing something.


I don't' see the need to constantly attribute poor motives to others, though. While I get this can be the case, it doesn't mean it is always.


It's the case 100 percent of the time in the scenario being discussed here.
Parley P. Pratt wrote:We must lie to support brother Joseph, it is our duty to do so.

B.R. McConkie, © Intellectual Reserve wrote:There are those who say that revealed religion and organic evolution can be harmonized. This is both false and devilish.
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Buffalo wrote:It's the case 100 percent of the time in the scenario being discussed here.


And there's the problem--somehow Mormons are all just people who don't really want to be friends with others, but try to do so in hopes to manipulate these others to do things the others don't want to do.
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stemelbow wrote:I had hope for you in real life.

Didn't even have you in mind, Stem.

But just FYI: I am much, much worse in real life than I ever have been on the Internet. Image
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Re: Our first visit from the bishopric

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quark wrote:The bishop just called Dear Wife this morning to set up a meeting with us.

Sigh...


Do it on your own terms, quark. One of the bishop's tools is to have you come to him. Make him come to you when you are available - your house, your time. And don't wear a suit. These are all signals that are important and disarming.

quark wrote:To answer the questions above, yes the bishop cried - he really did. I was not lying. In fact, I could see the tears welling up in his eyes again as he related to us our personal information.

"You went on a mission speaking ____ language?"
"Yes."
"You were married in the ____ temple?"
"Yes."
etc...

Total strangers sharing intimate information and crying in front of each other is simply wrong.


Crying is a rhetorical device; tears are rarely sincere. Like the pregnant pause, crying is used to invoke an emotional response in the listener. The response could be sorrow; you feel sorrowful because the person is crying for you and your misgivings. The response could be spiritual; you think that you feel a communal spirit that has filled up the person who is crying. The response could even be tears on your part. No matter - the intent is to capitalize on the emotional vulnerability of the listener to drive home a particular message.

I will freely, and with some shame and embarrassment, admit to using these techniques when I have taught lessons or spoken to congregations or individuals. I was never a blubberer; more so, I used the following patterns:
1. 'cracked voice'
2. 'obvious-pause-to-compose-myself-and-prevent-myself-from-crying'
3. 'say-five-words-then-pause'
4. 'make-voice-lower-and-raspy'

These patterns always, and I mean *always* elicited responses of "Brother LDST, when you said <insert banal wisdom here> the spirit was just so strong". Well, of course the "spirit" was strong, I completely manipulated your emotions! The same happened when I extended callings, when I made assignments, or even when I was just speaking one-on-one with members - employing these patterns, purposefully, I could guarantee the response I was looking for.

The best way to combat this is to ignore any sympathetic emotions that well up and address your concerns head on, like this:

"Bishop, your emotional response to my story is appreciated, but I have the benefit of the facts on my side - I know what is best for me and my family, and we are happy, despite your sorrow."

Fight emotion with the opposite emotion. Do not show that you are influenced by your natural sympathetic inclinations. Take a deep breath and tell the bishop why his emotions are not a valid response to your situation.

Anyway, I hope all goes well in your interview. Do not commit to anything that you do not wish to commit to.

I wish you and your family well,
H.
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stemelbow wrote:
Buffalo wrote:It's the case 100 percent of the time in the scenario being discussed here.


And there's the problem--somehow Mormons are all just people who don't really want to be friends with others, but try to do so in hopes to manipulate these others to do things the others don't want to do.


No one's saying that. Try to pay closer attention to the topic being discussed.
Parley P. Pratt wrote:We must lie to support brother Joseph, it is our duty to do so.

B.R. McConkie, © Intellectual Reserve wrote:There are those who say that revealed religion and organic evolution can be harmonized. This is both false and devilish.
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Re: Our first visit from the bishopric

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I was talking to my exmormon friend last night with his girlfriend who has never been a Mormon. He wants to take her to church sometime so she can understand his parents a little more and understand his background more. I was laughing a bit and said could you imagine if your girlfriend converted. I told her she would probably break up with him if she converted. She really didn't understand that at all. He said he would break up with her too because she would put this Mormon god before him in life. It's really hard to explain this to non Mormons actually.
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