How does God want you to treat others?

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Re: How does God want you to treat others?

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Jersey Girl wrote:LDST
The High Priests began talking about the 'bums on welfare', smoking and drinking away government money.


I have to say that the relative that I mentioned was exactly that. I do realize that many or most families are not that. I promote assistance programs in my own work.

But what I do have, LDST, are vivid images from childhood of this person. I remember picking up her baby when it cried while she laid her lazy ass in bed. She had no husband with the first baby and to my knowledge, never worked a day in her sorry life. As I said, after she did marry and visited her home, I remember looking in her fridge and seeing it full of beer. On the shelves was Campbells soup for her kids and cartons of cig's. The last time I saw her she was literally living in a junk yard.

Contrast that with her brother, who had freaking polio and who began making money by weaving leather belts when he was a kid and went on to get married and support his own family.

She had a high school diploma that was considered good for those days and did nothing to further herself in life. She instead sponged off my mother (if there weren't a baby involved, my mother would have never taken her in) who actually received her high school diploma the same year that *I* graduated high school (think about that for a minute or two), and who worked her ass off all her life starting at age 18. My mother worked hard all her life while this relative went about life with her hand out.

So yeah, I am somewhat jaded. Doesn't show, does it?

:-D


Here's what I'll say to that - first, that woman probably needed help that she wasn't getting. But I don't know, I truly don't know so I won't judge beyond that.

Jersey Girl, I grew up in what Americans would call 'the projects' - government housing complex, amongst the poor. I have experienced first hand what happens there. Yes, there is alcohol abuse, but guess what? There's also spousal abuse, child abuse, rotten living conditions, government training programs that don't do crap to help you get back on your feet. There is undiagnosed mental illness, there are lot's of poor, single mothers - either never married or divorced. There is crappy public transit, making it difficult to get to a job that might pay more than minimum wage. There are minorities (in my case, First Nation's People) that bring a host of social issues to the table to begin with and find it hard to escape the cycle. It's a depressing, lonely, bleak life and the gravity field around it is especially strong.

What pisses me off most about people who judge those who are poor is the notion that they are lazy, beer-swilling smokers who leach off of society. Most of the people in that high priests quorum have never been poor, have never interacted with the poor, have never taken a goddamned minute to educate themselves on the complexities of poverty. They perpetuate the myth because of some idiotic notion that "if you just were motivated enough, you'd get your lazy ass off the couch and get a job".

Sorry, I'm coming off angry, but this makes me angry. I'm not angry at you, Jersey Girl. But this is one of the reasons that I absolutely hate the teachings of the LDS church - they breed this right-wing nonsensical view of the world.

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Morley wrote:
Jersey Girl wrote:...
Not a few years back, I saw a person asking for money planted outside of Wal Mart as I drove into the parking lot. When I drove back out, I saw this same person being picked up by a new SUV. ...


That person may have been invited for a meal or a trip to a shelter. I've done that before.



Or, that person could have been a prostitute, which is a dark side of poverty.

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LDSToronto wrote:... But this is one of the reasons that I absolutely hate the teachings of the LDS church - they breed this right-wing nonsensical view of the world.

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...and then pretend that God has spoken His word.
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LDST
What set of horrible circumstances led to this human being's misfortune? Abuse? Job loss? Addiction? Mental illness? Laziness? Who knows.


This is where I think that churches could mobilize. Since we're on a LDS related board, I'll go with it. The LDS congregations that I have seen close and upfront, are loaded with professionals and often healthcare professionals. Instead of having LDS families grabbing up dollars to send their kids on missions all over, why not have that youth be mentored by LDS healthcare professionals and give service on the streets?

This could, of course, be said of any church.

I'd say that many or most of our homeless are suffering from mental illness, addiction and abuse. Why don't we so-called Christian's who have expertise in these areas, get up off our collective butts and go to the streets?

Yes, I know there are programs for healthcare professionals to set up clinics and such in depressed areas, but what about our churches?

How rich would the blessing be for LDS youth to engage in such mentoring and giving service in their own communities at the side of professionals who are well able to treat folks?

I must be dreaming....
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My guts get all churned up while reading and typing about this. I'm going for a walk. Take care, all.
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Jersey Girl wrote:LDST
What set of horrible circumstances led to this human being's misfortune? Abuse? Job loss? Addiction? Mental illness? Laziness? Who knows.


This is where I think that churches could mobilize. Since we're on a LDS related board, I'll go with it. The LDS congregations that I have seen close and upfront, are loaded with professionals and often healthcare professionals. Instead of having LDS families grabbing up dollars to send their kids on missions all over, why not have that youth be mentored by LDS healthcare professionals and give service on the streets?

This could, of course, be said of any church.

I'd say that many or most of our homeless are suffering from mental illness, addiction and abuse. Why don't we so-called Christian's who have expertise in these areas, get up off our collective butts and go to the streets?

Yes, I know there are programs for healthcare professionals to set up clinics and such in depressed areas, but what about our churches?

How rich would the blessing be for LDS youth to engage in such mentoring and giving service in their own communities at the side of professionals who are well able to treat folks?

I must be dreaming....


QFT. I couldn't agree with you more. The 50,000 doorknockers we send out every year could make a world of difference if their focus was on compassionate humanitarian aid.

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What pisses me off most about people who judge those who are poor is the notion that they are lazy, beer-swilling smokers who leach off of society. Most of the people in that high priests quorum have never been poor, have never interacted with the poor, have never taken a goddamned minute to educate themselves on the complexities of poverty. They perpetuate the myth because of some idiotic notion that "if you just were motivated enough, you'd get your lazy ass off the couch and get a job".

Sorry, I'm coming off angry, but this makes me angry. I'm not angry at you, Jersey Girl. But this is one of the reasons that I absolutely hate the teachings of the LDS church - they breed this right-wing nonsensical view of the world.



I understand your anger perfectly and I think I addressed a bit of a solution in a post that I just made.

Your words above, point to hypocrisy, no? Yes, some religious folks do talk a good one and fail to "walk the walk". Definitely so. They claim to worship a Savior who if he were to show up in our world today as he is presented in the Bible, would be taken for a schizophrenic homeless person on the street and totally ignored by the collective "us".

They do this to make themselves feel somehow "more" compared to the "less" they see in the poverty of others. In doing so, they totally ignore the instructions and example of Christ.

Aren't we so blessed?!?

Yes, you are, now how about doing what Christ actually told you to do with it.

Don't even get me started on that...
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LDSToronto wrote: they breed this right-wing nonsensical view of the world.

H.

too bad you had to throw this ridiculous claim in. Makes it much more difficult to take your otherwise provocative post seriously.
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LDST

QFT. I couldn't agree with you more. The 50,000 doorknockers we send out every year could make a world of difference if their focus was on compassionate humanitarian aid.



and bring our talents to the streets. You know, like that guy...what's his name?

Oh yeah, Christ.

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A few years back, my wife and I were vacationing in London. Our hotel was right across from the British Museum (fantastic locale to frequent (no admission charge) those historical artifacts, including the Rosetta Stone and the Lindow man). It was also a block east of the northeast corner of Soho, my favorite part of London.

The entire time we were there, a man and his dog were perched out front of a theater on a busy intersection on Charring Cross Road (across from the Tottenham Court tube station). We stopped at a local grocery and bought some food for him. When we gave it to him, he looked in the bag and asked if next time we'd bring food for his dog. We were both blown over by this homeless man's charity towards his dog.

We straight away went back to the grocery and got some butcher scraps for the dog. We did not forget to make sure we had something for both of them each time we passed by them again during the remainder of our stay there. I never felt that good paying tithing or declaring during tithing settlement that I was a full tithe payer.
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