Holy Ghost on vacation...again...

[_Drifting]

LDST

I agree with you. So does the LDS church. A recent memo to stake president's and bishops stated that:

1. All classrooms have either open doors or glass windows

Good. Who is monitoring the classrooms?

2. Paired teaching when men are called as Primary Teachers

There should be paired teaching, period.

3. Children are escorted to the washroom by parents prior to classes beginning

What about during the activity? Who takes them then?

All leaders are trained in how to recognize and report child abuse - the church has a video that they show once a year to all ward councils.

The church has a video? Who made this video?

I want to see training that involves the state statues, the penalities for not reporting child abuse, videos put on by social service agencies, including graphic photographs, to whom child abuse is reported.

I want to see each person finger printed and subjected to two criminal background checks via state and federal agencies.

And nothing short of that will do.

It is bizarre that God's true Church trails mans institutions when it comes to child protection. I agree that He should have inspired the Priesthood to do all this way before now, perhaps they're not listening...

[_Jersey Girl]

Drifting

It is bizarre that God's true Church trails mans institutions when it comes to child protection. I agree that He should have inspired the Priesthood to do all this way before now, perhaps they're not listening...

Given the LDS Church's strong and visible emphasis on growing families, the LDS Church should by rights, be the model of child protection that other churches look to for guidance!

[_Jersey Girl]

Giving credit where it is due, at least they immediately called the authorities. Too many cases like this (churches, Penn State, etc) get handled in house/swept under the rug.

Yes, this is true. When the wrong thing presented itself, they did the right thing.

No question about it.

[_sock puppet]

Perhaps God could stop calling people to Primary or Youth callings if they are prone to pedophile type inclinations - that might just help.

But, hey, they've repented of those past practices or inclinations, and God wants to prove to the incliner that he's forgiven. What better way to prove this than to 'put him back in the candy store' from which he's already stolen?

[_LDSToronto]

It is bizarre that God's true Church trails mans institutions when it comes to child protection. I agree that He should have inspired the Priesthood to do all this way before now, perhaps they're not listening...

But, Drifting, this is really where the Priesthood rubber meets the Revelatory road, no? I mean, the LDS church doesn't need to rely on a man-made law if the Holy Ghost would just tell the leaders when a child is in danger, or better yet, only inspire bishops to call people who are not going to rape kids.

It really is that simple.

H.

[_Jersey Girl]

It's going to take a while for me to get this out of my gut so, just hang on folks. This is what I do every single week day of my life and have done for nearly 30 years now. So bear with me...

I have worked in classrooms equipped with glass doors, observation windows and where the ceilings are miked to allow every word that comes out of my mouth to be heard.

This state of the art monitoring and observation are there for multiple reasons.

1. To allow administrators to observe teaching practice for staff eval.
2. To allow parents to observe their child during class.
3. To allow teaching students/visiting professionals to observe teaching practice.
4. To make me fully observable with the end goal being the prevention of child abuse or neglect.

It is like teaching in a department store display window. :-)

As I mentioned not long ago, BYU has it's own early childhood program including a lab school that delivers early education to young children and supports the student teaching program. I assume that this is a high quality program since I have worked with it's graduates and it is referenced in college ECE text books.

How about connect the dots?

How about sourcing the ECE professionals from the BYU ECE program into the community as consultants so that the consult begins at BYU and leads to the local Wards? Let the ECE professionals from BYU collaborate with local law enforcement and social services to develop the classes in identifying and preventing child abuse and bring THAT into the Wards.

From what I can tell, the LDS Church is dumping tons of dollars into a mall project, I believe, in the SLC area.

How about redirecting some cash into the Wards to ensure that monitoring equipment, including installing video cameras in strategic places, is installed and put to use in each Ward?

Essentially, how about step up to the plate? The human and financial resources are already in place.

How about use them?

[_LDSToronto]

Perhaps God could stop calling people to Primary or Youth callings if they are prone to pedophile type inclinations - that might just help.

But, hey, they've repented of those past practices or inclinations, and God wants to prove to the incliner that he's forgiven. What better way to prove this than to 'put him back in the candy store' from which he's already stolen?

Well, I should probably make a small correction here - sexual offenders have their Church records annotated and are prohibited from working in a calling with kids. If I'm not mistaken (I no longer have access to Handbook 1) such people are supposed to be escorted around the building.

H.

[_Drifting]

It is bizarre that God's true Church trails mans institutions when it comes to child protection. I agree that He should have inspired the Priesthood to do all this way before now, perhaps they're not listening...

But, Drifting, this is really where the Priesthood rubber meets the Revelatory road, no? I mean, the LDS church doesn't need to rely on a man-made law if the Holy Ghost would just tell the leaders when a child is in danger, or better yet, only inspire bishops to call people who are not going to rape kids.

It really is that simple.

H.

Completely agree.

[_Jersey Girl]

It is bizarre that God's true Church trails mans institutions when it comes to child protection. I agree that He should have inspired the Priesthood to do all this way before now, perhaps they're not listening...

But, Drifting, this is really where the Priesthood rubber meets the Revelatory road, no? I mean, the LDS church doesn't need to rely on a man-made law if the Holy Ghost would just tell the leaders when a child is in danger, or better yet, only inspire bishops to call people who are not going to rape kids.

It really is that simple.

H.

Does the Holy Ghost need to tell LDS when to put man made smoke detectors in their homes or church buildings? Monitoring equipment is the same thing and the assumption should be that all children are in danger without it.

[_Drifting]

But, Drifting, this is really where the Priesthood rubber meets the Revelatory road, no? I mean, the LDS church doesn't need to rely on a man-made law if the Holy Ghost would just tell the leaders when a child is in danger, or better yet, only inspire bishops to call people who are not going to rape kids.

It really is that simple.

H.

Does the Holy Ghost need to tell LDS when to put man made smoke detectors in their homes or church buildings? Monitoring equipment is the same thing and the assumption should be that all children are in danger without it.

But sadly, the assumption in Mormonism is that all children are safely protected by God, his inspired Priesthood holding servants and the Holy Ghost.