How does God want you to treat others?

[_Hoops]

What the hell are you talking about? How did abortion enter into the fray?

I didn't throw out the right-wing comment to garner adoration. I said it because the LDS church is a right-leaning religion. Take a look at the way it values tradition, patriarchy, social hierarchy and inequality (the three degrees of glory), gender roles, and yes, so called 'family values'.

This thinking is directly in conflict with anything that Christ every taught in the New Testament and in The Book of Mormon. In fact the most correct book ever written, The Book of Mormon, teaches the following:

"And also, ye yourselves will succor those that stand in need of your succor; ye will administer of your substance unto him that standeth in need; and ye will not suffer that the beggar putteth up his petition to you in vain, and turn him out to perish. Perhaps thou shalt say: The man has brought upon himself his misery; therefore I will stay my hand, and will not give unto him of my food, nor impart unto him of my substance that he may not suffer, for his punishments are just—
But I say unto you, O man, whosoever doeth this the same hath great cause to repent; and except he repenteth of that which he hath done he perisheth forever, and hath no interest in the kingdom of God. For behold, are we not all beggars? Do we not all depend upon the same Being, even God, for all the substance which we have, for both food and raiment, and for gold, and for silver, and for all the riches which we have of every kind?"

I can tell you that most members of the church that I have encountered pay this lip service only. Members have quoted this and then gone off and called people 'welfare bums'. Members have *read* this in lesson manuals and proceeded to then go on about First Nations people being given too much by our government and "single mothers should be forced to work for their pay, after all they broke one of God's commands..."

So, ya, I didn't throw it out there for applause. I threw it out there for truth.

H.

20 And behold, even at this time, ye have been calling on his name, and begging for a aremission of your sins. And has he suffered that ye have begged in vain? Nay; he has poured out his bSpirit upon you, and has caused that your hearts should be filled with cjoy, and has caused that your mouths should be stopped that ye could not find utterance, so exceedingly great was your joy.

What you describe may indeed be representative of an LDS world view, but what you are describing is not a "right wing" world view. And, I'll agree that what you've described has little to do with Christ's teaching. And I'm not even a right winger, but I know a lot of them and none would subscribe to what you've described.

[_LDSToronto]

What the hell are you talking about? How did abortion enter into the fray?

I didn't throw out the right-wing comment to garner adoration. I said it because the LDS church is a right-leaning religion. Take a look at the way it values tradition, patriarchy, social hierarchy and inequality (the three degrees of glory), gender roles, and yes, so called 'family values'.

This thinking is directly in conflict with anything that Christ every taught in the New Testament and in The Book of Mormon. In fact the most correct book ever written, The Book of Mormon, teaches the following:

"And also, ye yourselves will succor those that stand in need of your succor; ye will administer of your substance unto him that standeth in need; and ye will not suffer that the beggar putteth up his petition to you in vain, and turn him out to perish. Perhaps thou shalt say: The man has brought upon himself his misery; therefore I will stay my hand, and will not give unto him of my food, nor impart unto him of my substance that he may not suffer, for his punishments are just—
But I say unto you, O man, whosoever doeth this the same hath great cause to repent; and except he repenteth of that which he hath done he perisheth forever, and hath no interest in the kingdom of God. For behold, are we not all beggars? Do we not all depend upon the same Being, even God, for all the substance which we have, for both food and raiment, and for gold, and for silver, and for all the riches which we have of every kind?"

I can tell you that most members of the church that I have encountered pay this lip service only. Members have quoted this and then gone off and called people 'welfare bums'. Members have *read* this in lesson manuals and proceeded to then go on about First Nations people being given too much by our government and "single mothers should be forced to work for their pay, after all they broke one of God's commands..."

So, ya, I didn't throw it out there for applause. I threw it out there for truth.

H.

20 And behold, even at this time, ye have been calling on his name, and begging for a aremission of your sins. And has he suffered that ye have begged in vain? Nay; he has poured out his bSpirit upon you, and has caused that your hearts should be filled with cjoy, and has caused that your mouths should be stopped that ye could not find utterance, so exceedingly great was your joy.

What you describe may indeed be representative of an LDS world view, but what you are describing is not a "right wing" world view. And, I'll agree that what you've described has little to do with Christ's teaching. And I'm not even a right winger, but I know a lot of them and none would subscribe to what you've described.

Well, I'm open for correction when I'm wrong - describe a right-wing worldview for me....

H.

[_LDSToronto]

God wants us to treat others better than He treats us.

QFT

[_Ceeboo]

God wants us to treat others better than He treats us.

QFT

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(Quoted For Another Example Of How Human Pain And Anger Cause Us To Blame, Question, And Judge God For Things That May Have Entirely Nothing To Do With God)

Peace,
Ceeboo

[_Hoops]

Well, I'm open for correction when I'm wrong - describe a right-wing worldview for me....

H.

I doubt it. Everyone knows that liberals have cornered the market on compassion and brilliance.

Unfortunately, the facts say differently. I can't speak to Canadians, of course, but in The States, conservatives routinely and by a wide margin give more to charity than do liberals. I suppose it's enough for liberals to feeeeeeelllllll like they care, rather than actually care.

[_just me]

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(Quoted For Another Example Of How Human Pain And Anger Cause Us To Blame, Question, And Judge God For Things That May Have Entirely Nothing To Do With God)

Peace,
Ceeboo

HAHA! That's awesome.

Hey, ceeb, do you believe that the Old Testament is an accurate representation of how God has historically interacted with humankind?

[_LDSToronto]

Well, I'm open for correction when I'm wrong - describe a right-wing worldview for me....

H.

I doubt it. Everyone knows that liberals have cornered the market on compassion and brilliance.

Unfortunately, the facts say differently. I can't speak to Canadians, of course, but in The States, conservatives routinely and by a wide margin give more to charity than do liberals. I suppose it's enough for liberals to feeeeeeelllllll like they care, rather than actually care.

Hoops, you said: "what you are describing is not a "right wing" world view"

Please describe a right-wing worldview.

H.

[_Hoops]

Hoops, you said: "what you are describing is not a "right wing" world view"

Please describe a right-wing worldview.

H.

Regardless, your representation does not comport with the facts. It's enough for me to say that your representation of a right wing world view is wrong. So take that and see the opposite.

[_Ceeboo]

Hey JM

HAHA! That's awesome.

QFT :)

Hey, ceeb, do you believe that the Old Testament is an accurate representation of how God has historically interacted with humankind?

Hmmmmmm? A very, very tough question for me.

To be extremely honest, I simply don't know, nor do I want to imply that I understand (both fully and/or in part) much of what we find in the Old Testament.

As I see it (although there is a TON of very interesting and in my opinion rather bizarre, confusing, and difficult things to digest found throughout the entire Old Testament) I would not be comfortable (and indeed would/do struggle) to submit that I believe the Old Testament "is an accurate representation of how God had historically interacted with humankind."

Rather, I would suggest a MUCH, MUCH better source to know how God historically interacted with mankind would be to place an enormous amount of weight upon when God, Himself, actually did walk amongst us, Taught, Loved, Explained, and did interact with Mankind.

Peace,
Ceeboo

[_sock puppet]

Hey JM

HAHA! That's awesome.

QFT :)

Hey, ceeb, do you believe that the Old Testament is an accurate representation of how God has historically interacted with humankind?

Hmmmmmm? A very, very tough question for me.

To be extremely honest, I simply don't know, nor do I want to imply that I understand (both fully and/or in part) much of what we find in the Old Testament.

As I see it (although there is a TON of very interesting and in my opinion rather bizarre, confusing, and difficult things to digest found throughout the entire Old Testament) I would not be comfortable (and indeed would/do struggle) to submit that I believe the Old Testament "is an accurate representation of how God had historically interacted with humankind."

Rather, I would suggest a MUCH, MUCH better source to know how God historically interacted with mankind would be to place an enormous amount of weight upon when God, Himself, actually did walk amongst us, Taught, Loved, Explained, and did interact with Mankind.

Peace,
Ceeboo

Ceeboo, does being on this earth make God behave better than when He is up in the heavens? Or did he just not come across that nice when talking from heaven, and so his prophets of the Old Testament just got Him all wrong?