Holy Ghost on vacation...again...

[_Jersey Girl]

whyme

And even with all your 1984 ideas,

Your descriptor suggests that you don't take the issue seriously, why me. These are no more "1984" ideas than the cameras that capture the images of Wal Mart shop lifters or video cameras installed in police cruisers that record criminal encounters. The list I offered represents state of the art monitoring of environments inhabited by young children and adults.

someone somewhere will still sexually abuse a child. One cannot be watched 24/7.

We aren't discussing "somewhere" we are discussing child sexual assault in an LDS Church building. My responses offered preventative solutions.

Plus, with a child under constant surveilence, he or she will develop a phobia or phobias.

Young children are wholly unware of the monitoring equipment that I described. There are state laws in existence that provide for the superivison of children by parents, teachers and other professionals, typically under the age of 12 years. What I described is no different.

Here is a better idea: begin to understand why abusing children (not just sexually) is at an all time high. Why is there so much sexual abuse and what is behind it?

I don't have time to address this question right now since I'm about to leave. I will give it a try at making a short list.

1. Parents contracting out their parenting to other adults.
2. Materialism becoming a priority over childhood.
3. The mobile family,families living long distance from elders/lack of familial support.
4. Lack of parent education/parenting skills.
5. The cyclical nature of child abuse.
6. Substance abuse.

The nine year old rape victim whose plight has taken a back seat on this thread in favor of ridiculing/challenging the doctrine of the Holy Ghost in Mormonism (which in all fairness was the actual topic of this thread) will be lucky to make it through puberty without developing depression, engageing in self harm, substance abuse, or attempting or completing suicide.

[_Jersey Girl]

Here is a better idea: begin to understand why abusing children (not just sexually) is at an all time high. Why is there so much sexual abuse and what is behind it?

CFR that child abuse of all forms are at "an all time high." I have not seen these stats.

I would imagine that adults who sexually abuse children are jacked in the head. Is pedo a mental illness? Yes. From what I understand about 5% of the population is estimated to have it.

I would say that child abuse reporting via the media capability (internet, etc) is at an all time high. This is what has made it more visible.

Adults who abuse children in any way, sexually/emotionally/physically are def jacked in the head, often by their own childhood abuse.

If you are interested in a little arm chair research, look up the biographies of the most notorious mass murderers, dictators and such. Roll back the tape and in most every case, you will find early childhood abuse and/or neglect.

[_just me]

I would say that child abuse reporting via the media capability (internet, etc) is at an all time high. This is what has made it more visible.

I agree. Not only that, it has also become more and more unacceptable. It used to be perfectly fine to take a stick to your child or your wife...or your slave or your animal. Now it is not.

Adults who abuse children in any way, sexually/emotionally/physically are def jacked in the head, often by their own childhood abuse.

I agree. It is not always from previous abuse, though it does seem to often be the case.

If you are interested in a little arm chair research, look up the biographies of the most notorious mass murderers, dictators and such. Roll back the tape and in most every case, you will find early childhood abuse and/or neglect.

True, this is often the case.

[_Jersey Girl]

why me

Plus, with a child under constant surveilence, he or she will develop a phobia or phobias.

I've really got one foot out the door here, but I wanted to more fully describe the equipment that I listed because I am not sure you are familiar with it.

From the inside of the classroom, the observation windows look like mirrors.

The ceiling mikes are no larger than say, a blue tooth device.

Children are aware of the smoke alarms (because they are actively engaged by them), they are not aware of these silent and unobtrusive forms of monitoring.

[_why me]

I don't have time to address this question right now since I'm about to leave. I will give it a try at making a short list.

1. Parents contracting out their parenting to other adults.
2. Materialism becoming a priority over childhood.
3. The mobile family,families living long distance from elders/lack of familial support.
4. Lack of parent education/parenting skills.
5. The cyclical nature of child abuse.
6. Substance abuse.
.

You have made a good start. But you missed one: the moral decay in socieities that have put sexuality and all things sexual in the forefront of our lives. Plus, the fashion style of young girls have now taken on a more mature young adult look with the encouragement of parents.

From a religious perspective: the power of satan to destroy the human fabric at a very young age by any means necessary.

[_Jersey Girl]

I don't have time to address this question right now since I'm about to leave. I will give it a try at making a short list.

1. Parents contracting out their parenting to other adults.
2. Materialism becoming a priority over childhood.
3. The mobile family,families living long distance from elders/lack of familial support.
4. Lack of parent education/parenting skills.
5. The cyclical nature of child abuse.
6. Substance abuse.
.

You have made a good start. But you missed one: the moral decay in socieities that have put sexuality and all things sexual in the forefront of our lives. Plus, the fashion style of young girls have now taken on a more mature young adult look with the encouragement of parents.

From a religious perspective: the power of satan to destroy the human fabric at a very young age by any means necessary.

I knew that I shouldn't have looked at this thread again after logging out! You are tempting me and I won't have it! :-)

Yes, I agree with regards to the moral decay in our society. I will have more to say another time but briefly, why me, our churches can play a strong role in that regard but the honest truth as I see it, is that they are not stepping up to the plate. (I will try to explain more fully later)

You said something about team sports in another post. I do think that children benefit from playing team sports after a certain age. When I read your post, my immediate reaction was...

or parents could play with their own children.

:-)

GOING FOR REAL NOW!!!!

[_why me]

From the inside of the classroom, the observation windows look like mirrors.

The ceiling mikes are no larger than say, a blue tooth device.

Children are aware of the smoke alarms (because they are actively engaged by them), they are not aware of these silent and unobtrusive forms of monitoring.

But they will be. Nothing wrong with being careful. But it doesn't say much about the human being these days. Plus, to be constantly monitored may seem like safety. But actually, it gives me the creeps. In Britain, one cannot scratch ones nose without a camera seeing it. And in department stores, I am sure that male monitors are surveying women's butts from the comfort of the security room. Everywhere one goes, one can be watched, taped etc. And what about the shower? Should all public showers have a camera?

Plus we need paid security people to monitor behind the monitors with your system. And there is always room for abuse of the system itself.

[_Jersey Girl]

Stop tempting me, darn you!!! :-)

But they will be. Nothing wrong with being careful. But it doesn't say much about the human being these days. Plus, to be constantly monitored may seem like safety. But actually, it gives me the creeps. In Britain, one cannot scratch ones nose without a camera seeing it. And in department stores, I am sure that male monitors are surveying women's butts from the comfort of the security room. Everywhere one goes, one can be watched, taped etc. And what about the shower? Should all public showers have a camera?

We cannot bemoan society as in a state of decay without a offering a response. In this case, monitoring equipment. I will tell you, why me, that my words and my every move is subject to monitoring. In certain circumstances, my words are written down verbatim for study. If I am going about the business of engaging in best and appropriate practice (teaching) then none of this should give me the creeps. Parents watch me interact with their children, students watch me to learn from me and adminstrators watch me for the purpose of evaluation.

This is not much different than the video taping of surgeries and such.

Plus we need paid security people to monitor behind the monitors with your system. And there is always room for abuse of the system itself.

It is state of the art monitoring equipment and requires no security staffing.

[_Morley]

You have made a good start. But you missed one: the moral decay in socieities that have put sexuality and all things sexual in the forefront of our lives. Plus, the fashion style of young girls have now taken on a more mature young adult look with the encouragement of parents.

From a religious perspective: the power of satan to destroy the human fabric at a very young age by any means necessary.

Forgive me, but your post is ridiculous. 'Moral decay' is not to blame for pedophilia. Sexuality in society is not to blame for pedophilia. The fashion choices of young girls or their parents are not to blame for pedophilia. Even 'Satan' whispering in otherwise worthy people's ears is not an expiation for pedophilia. Are you heffing kidding?

[_Drifting]

Perhaps God could stop calling people to Primary or Youth callings if they are prone to pedophile type inclinations - that might just help.

And how does it do this? Should a part of the interview process be: excuse me brother jones, but do you have pedophile inclinations?

No it should work the same way as the Holy Ghost tells us the Book of Mormon is true. By inspiration. So the Bishop gets a warm tingly feeling if the Prinary teacher he has chosen isn't a pedophile. No tingly feeling should be the warning he needs not to proceed.

So why can the Holy Ghost tell us a book is true but can't help Bishops protect children from pedophiles? Why?