Schryver's Article Is Going To Be Published, Somewhere?

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Re: Schryver's Article Is Going To Be Published, Somewhere?

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Carton wrote:I'm no fan of Mormon apologetics and apologists, but I am bothered by the fact that people from this otherwise great message board used posts from this board to make what amounts to an ad hominem attack on a poster who chose to use his real-life identity when posting here. To me, it doesn't matter what was said. In my opinion, it's just really poor form and violates what I think is a more or less "unwritten rule" of online forums that "what happens in Vegas stays in Vegas". Or in other words "what happens at MDB stays at MDB". I can see certain exceptions, like if someone was making online threats or other things that violate criminal law like someone talking about child porn or something like that. But I think the whole idea of gathering together posts from someone whose name you know or have discovered and then using them to damage that person in his life outside the forum is just plain wrong.

I'm sure there are people who will disagree with me, but that's my two cents.


Your post seems to be based on a misapprehension. William Schryver's identity was not 'discovered' by someone on this board and then revealed. He posted here under his real name, proudly proclaiming his real identity and giving lots of details about his life, many aspects of which he in effect boasted about, for years.

One aspect of his posts on this board that many readers of this board found repellent, including myself, was his very unpleasant abuse of women posters (in posts on this board, may I repeat that he made like all the others under his real name). What MsJack did was to gather together a wide selection of the choicest specimens of those posts, and exhibit them together on this board, drawing the obvious conclusion that if men treated women like that online it would make female participation less likely.

Schryver did not dispute that the posts quoted had been made (the only dispute of substance on that thread was whether he had used a word beginning with 'c' that refers to the female pudenda). At no stage did he complain that his identity had been revealed - had he done so, it would have been patently ridiculous, since he had always posted under that identity.
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I too hope he will be published and soon. Regardless of how I feel about him or his work, he has been instrumental in keeping the KEP & Book of Abraham discussion out in the open and ongoing. His book would only increase the attention to those areas and hopefully force the Church to allow more access to materials they have been suppressing.
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Fence Sitter wrote:I too hope he will be published and soon.


Oh, me too! Really.
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Fence Sitter wrote:I too hope he will be published and soon. Regardless of how I feel about him or his work, he has been instrumental in keeping the KEP & Book of Abraham discussion out in the open and ongoing. His book would only increase the attention to those areas and hopefully force the Church to allow more access to materials they have been suppressing.


I haven't read any of Will's proposed work (has anyone?). Maybe it hasn't been published because it's not up to publication quality.

Maybe the people looking at possibly publishing it gave it a pass based on it's content rather than Will's bad reputation on this board.
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Chap wrote:
Carton wrote:I'm no fan of Mormon apologetics and apologists, but I am bothered by the fact that people from this otherwise great message board used posts from this board to make what amounts to an ad hominem attack on a poster who chose to use his real-life identity when posting here. To me, it doesn't matter what was said. In my opinion, it's just really poor form and violates what I think is a more or less "unwritten rule" of online forums that "what happens in Vegas stays in Vegas". Or in other words "what happens at MDB stays at MDB". I can see certain exceptions, like if someone was making online threats or other things that violate criminal law like someone talking about child porn or something like that. But I think the whole idea of gathering together posts from someone whose name you know or have discovered and then using them to damage that person in his life outside the forum is just plain wrong.

I'm sure there are people who will disagree with me, but that's my two cents.


Your post seems to be based on a misapprehension. William Schryver's identity was not 'discovered' by someone on this board and then revealed. He posted here under his real name, proudly proclaiming his real identity and giving lots of details about his life, many aspects of which he in effect boasted about, for years.

One aspect of his posts on this board that many readers of this board found repellent, including myself, was his very unpleasant abuse of women posters (in posts on this board, may I repeat that he made like all the others under his real name). What MsJack did was to gather together a wide selection of the choicest specimens of those posts, and exhibit them together on this board, drawing the obvious conclusion that if men treated women like that online it would make female participation less likely.

Schryver did not dispute that the posts quoted had been made (the only dispute of substance on that thread was whether he had used a word beginning with 'c' that refers to the female pudenda). At no stage did he complain that his identity had been revealed - had he done so, it would have been patently ridiculous, since he had always posted under that identity.

I understood that he posted here under his real name.

I didn't understand that "bitch" was a forbidden word here, and although it's not very nice, I'm not sure I would say it qualifies as "vile". I've seen a lot worse on this and other message boards. Just sayin'.

If I had any misapprehension, it was that I thought MsJack has sent the thread to people at NAMIRS. That's what I thought violated the unwritten rule of message boards. But now I understand that it was probably Peterson who saw the thread and brought the hammer down on Schryver's article.
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Quasimodo wrote:
Fence Sitter wrote:I too hope he will be published and soon. Regardless of how I feel about him or his work, he has been instrumental in keeping the KEP & Book of Abraham discussion out in the open and ongoing. His book would only increase the attention to those areas and hopefully force the Church to allow more access to materials they have been suppressing.


I haven't read any of Will's proposed work (has anyone?). Maybe it hasn't been published because it's not up to publication quality.

Maybe the people looking at possibly publishing it gave it a pass based on it's content rather than Will's bad reputation on this board.

You're probably right.

Schryver has still been dropping hints that his stuff will be published. Maybe he's talking about self-published?
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He posted this yesterday at MDD:

All my publications that include copyrighted images are subject to approval by the Church History Department. I doubt that this book (and its many accompanying copyrighted images) will be approved for online publication.
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Carton wrote:He posted this yesterday at MDD:

All my publications that include copyrighted images are subject to approval by the Church History Department. I doubt that this book (and its many accompanying copyrighted images) will be approved for online publication.


Yup. It can't be published because it's sacred, not substandard ...
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Carton wrote:....
I didn't understand that "bitch" was a forbidden word here, and although it's not very nice, I'm not sure I would say it qualifies as "vile". I've seen a lot worse on this and other message boards. Just sayin'. ....

If one says "life is a bitch" it's not such a big deal. If I call a woman I'm conversing with "a bitch" it's understandably a big deal--even if I do it on a message board.
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Quasimodo wrote:
I haven't read any of Will's proposed work (has anyone?). Maybe it hasn't been published because it's not up to publication quality.

Maybe the people looking at possibly publishing it gave it a pass based on it's content rather than Will's bad reputation on this board.


Besides his video presentations I am not sure there is anything to read yet. In my opinion the better the work turns out to be the more attention it is likely to get, hopefully it will draw the attention of more people like Ritner who are not LDS.
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