Holy Ghost on vacation...again...

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Dear Johah,

YOU ARE A LIAR!!! A Mormon women would NEVER DATE, much less marry, any man who was not temple worthy! I was told this by many Mormon bishops...so it must be the truth! Mormon bishops can't be wrong!!!


P.S. I'm being sarcastic. I know you are telling the truth. Mormon bishops DEFEND men they think "loyal" to the Church, always. Seen it too many times. Too many cover-ups. Too many lies, from Church leaders. I'm surprised the bishop did not try to cover-up the whole thing.

Jonah wrote:My experience with church leaders and a child molesting bastard (Why I am so passionate about this subject) -

After my divorce (horrible 19 year marriage), I hooked up again with my sweetheart from college. She too was going through a divorce from her priesthood holding, tithe paying, bishopric member, child molesting bastard husband. He had molested their oldest daughter and tried with another daughter but was rebuffed. When this all came to light, the church leaders, for the most part, acted appropriately. They made sure the husband moved out of the home, contacted the police, offered counseling, etc. Throughout the process though, they appeared to be more concerned with the molesting bastard than with his victims. The daughter was urged not to press charges because the molesting bastard was in counseling, sorry for what he had done, going through the repentance process, wouldn't want to break up an eternal family, blah, blah, blah. From all that pressure, the daughter didn't press charges.

Based on the church leaders counsel, that the molesting bastard had progressed down the repentance trail , had ongoing counseling, and was no longer a threat, he was allowed back into the home (Can you even imagine having a molester back in the home around his victims? This is how TBM and trusting my sweetie was at the time. **shudder**). Although no longer sexually abusive, he now turned physically abusive, beating my sweetie and her kids. They separated and got back together twice more before I came back into her life. I encouraged her to bash his brains out with a baseball bat. Against advice from her Bishop and SP, she chose divorce. She and the kids also chose to resign from the church.

Unfortunately, four years later, she passed away from cancer leaving behind her four children. The two oldest daughters were adult age, but her two youngest were minors. A custody battle ensued between us and the molesting bastard father. Thousands of dollars were spent in attorney fees in an attempt to have the minor kids' custody placed with the eldest daughter. After many case studies, evaluations, psychological tests, etc., we won.

Throughout the process there were letters of reference submitted by each side to bolster their case for the kids. One such reference came from the molesting bastard's Bishop. This Bishop gave him a glowing review of why he should be chosen for custody over the daughter. The Bishop at the same time threw my loving, caring, forgiving, sacrificing, sweetheart under the bus. To read his remarks in the court document would make a maggot puke.

After everything was said and done, I couldn't hold back. Here is my letter to that Bishop. Enjoy -

Bishop John XXXXXX,

This letter is to inform you that the guardianship for the children of *Molester* and *My Sweetie* has rightfully been awarded to the eldest daughter, *Molester’s victim*. The time spent and costs incurred in the effort to secure the children from their deviant father was worth any and all resources required.

Imagine my disappointment though as I read the report of the comments you made to the court appointed social worker. Your glowing support of an abusive child molesting bastard is despicable. Your further characterization of the children’s mother in the report as being “very influential in the formulation of the minor’s negative opinion about *Molester* ” is downright sickening. Let’s not consider the FACT that *Molester* was physically and verbally abusive to his children, or the FACT that they witnessed his abuse of their mother, or the FACT that he mounted their sister when she was 12 years old and ejaculated through his garments on her!! Such events could never have influenced their opinion of him. Nooooooo, they were influenced by their mother!! You really are a piece of work *Biishop’s last name*.

*My Sweetie* desperately reached out to you for help in dealing with her sick ex-husband. Her studies and research in Psychology greatly helped her recognize the controlling, manipulative behavior he was exhibiting. She also realized that the ONLY authority he would respond to in complying with his obligations would be the church (YOU!!). This is why she sent you studies, articles, and paperwork detailing his deviant patterns so that you would be better informed and educated when dealing with him. Obviously you considered this a nuisance, obviously you didn’t read the material, and obviously you chose to support the abusive child molesting priesthood holder over his victims. This comes as no surprise as this seems to be a growing epidemic in the church.

Fortunately the State of California has expert psychologists who rely on sophisticated tests for character evaluation. These tests administered to *Molester* were far more accurate than your faulty “Spirit of Discernment”. Amazingly, the test results mirrored EXACTLY the types of behavior that *My Sweetie* warned you still existed in him. Perhaps she was more “in tune with the spirit” than you. According to the test results “ *Molester* presented as narcissistic and self-centered to enhance his sense of self-worth. Prone to impulsivity and taking risks, he was vulnerable to poor judgement to gratify immediate needs, showing the tendency to be manipulative. He also appeared to displace responsibility for his problems onto others.” The test further concluded that “granting *Molester* parental rights would be psychologically detrimental to (the children).”

It is simply appalling that you would ignore the impassioned pleas for help from a loving protective mother in favor of the lies of a child molester. I truly hope that if your daughters someday need the same assistance from a church leader as *My Sweetie* did, they will find someone more sympathetic to their needs than you. And you are a Bishop!!?? One of the “Lord’s annointed”?? If you had any shred of decency you would resign immediately and give up the charade of being “led by the spirit”.

*Molester* saw you as someone he could deceive and manipulate. *My Sweetie* saw you as a light of hope in dealing with him. He was right, she was wrong. I think you have a pretty good idea of how I see you.

Thanks for nothing.

Jonah


What is most disturbing though is that this sick, f*****g, molesting bastard is more than likely back in full fellowship with the church. Though he probably is not allowed to teach or participate in certain situations, he no doubt is able to congregate and mingle with totally unsuspecting ward members. He just might be that funny guy sitting behind your family in the chapel making googly eyes at your daughter. Suck on that a little TBM's.

Oh, and Why Me, before you come back with your standard lame "Well, the Bishop was only human and made a mistake..." excuse, f*** you!!
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Dear Why Me,

I know of dozens of cases where Mormon bishops called the victims "liars" when the victims went and told the bishop about a predator. I was called a "liar" when I told bishop kunzler of the Bellevue 8th Ward that my roommate was having sex with dozens of Mormon girls while at the same time sleeping with his barely 17 year old Catholic girlfriend every night. He said, "i find that hard to believe" (i.e. a polite way of saying...you're a liar).

Most Mormon bishops think this way: "If he goes to Church, faithfully pays his tithing, faithfully attends his meetings, is a financial success, HE MUST BE WORTHY! If anyone says otherwise...THEY MUST BE LYING!

This is how these ignorant sons of bitches actually think!

Most Mormon bishops are ignoramuses, very foolish self-righteous men. Sure, there are exceptions, but not many.

Most Mormon women will marry men who are immoral, because they are simply obeying nature, which tells them to marry males who are best at survival, and Alpha males are the best at that, but they are often violent, abusive, controlling, adulterous, and...yes....incestuous.


Why me wrote:

Is this a joke? No one can protect children against someone who wishes to molest a child. What can any organization do? The LDS church does quite well when it comes to protecting children against predators. But it is impossible to have a clean record when such a problem is a epidemic.
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Daheshist wrote:Dear Why Me,

I know of dozens of cases where Mormon bishops called the victims "liars" when the victims went and told the bishop about a predator. I was called a "liar" when I told bishop kunzler of the Bellevue 8th Ward that my roommate was having sex with dozens of Mormon girls while at the same time sleeping with his barely 17 year old Catholic girlfriend every night. He said, "i find that hard to believe" (i.e. a polite way of saying...you're a liar).


When we think of Strauss-Kahn and the accusations that were made against him, we can see the problem with believing an accusation. If he didn't have money, he would still be in Riker's Island trying to prove he did nothing wrong. But because he had great lawyers, they managed to prove that the woman was lying.

However, the american press found him guilty once the allegations were made and a poor man would still be in jail or spending thousands of dollars defending himself or spending 6 years in jail because the public defender sucked even though innocent.

Now this can happen when a woman makes a false accusation. Or when anyone makes a false accusation that has to do with abuse. There are liars out there.

However, I do believe this girl. But this doesn't mean as this board believes that the man is guilty. This board has already hung the guy. But the police need to interview the girl, hope that more come forward to collaborate the story, and proceed with getting the story of the man involved. There needs to be proof. If no proof is needed, then we are all possibly doomed.
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why me wrote:
However, I do believe this girl. But this doesn't mean as this board believes that the man is guilty.


Okay, this seems to need clarification...
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Jonah wrote:
Oh, and Why Me, before you come back with your standard lame "Well, the Bishop was only human and made a mistake..." excuse, f*** you!!


I think that any bishop who gets invovled in a case like this needs his head examined. The bishop can never win with the parties who are involved. Someone is going to be hurt, offended etc. Best to stay out of it and let the law settle it.
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Drifting wrote:
Okay, this seems to need clarification...


An accusation is an accusation. It needs to be proven. If accusations don't need to be proven, we are all doomed since anyone can be accused of doing something wrong. Is that clear for you?
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why me wrote:
Drifting wrote:
Okay, this seems to need clarification...


An accusation is an accusation. It needs to be proven. If accusations don't need to be proven, we are all doomed since anyone can be accused of doing something wrong. Is that clear for you?


Sorry perhaps I wasn't clear in asking for clarification.
In your post you said you believe the girl, which means you believe the alleged abuse happened. But you then turn the Why Me bus 180 degrees and say but the man may not be guilty.

So the question is, how can the girl be correct yet the man not be guilty?
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Drifting wrote:
So the question is, how can the girl be correct yet the man not be guilty?


I am not a cop or a judge. All accusations need to be proven. What I believe makes no difference.
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why me wrote:There needs to be proof. If no proof is needed, then we are all possibly doomed.

That's what I've been trying for months--no, years--to explain to you (and other TBMs) about the Mormon myth. The Mormon myth insists that no proof is needed.
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why me wrote:
Jonah wrote:
Oh, and Why Me, before you come back with your standard lame "Well, the Bishop was only human and made a mistake..." excuse, f*** you!!


I think that any bishop who gets invovled in a case like this needs his head examined. The bishop can never win with the parties who are involved. Someone is going to be hurt, offended etc. Best to stay out of it and let the law settle it.


This Bishop is already involved, in fact he is potential culpable.
This Bishop probably couldn't win with the parties involved, but given his role in it he should at least try (which he might well be doing).
Someone is already hurt - remember the little girl in the OP?
The law needn't have been involved had either the Holy Ghost done his job properly or if the Church had placed child protection higher up the list of priorities - perhaps above, tithing, missionary work or same sex marriage. It would be interesting to understand how much time and resources the Church has put into child protection versus the money spent on the City Creek Mall or the "I'm a Mormon" campaign...
“We look to not only the spiritual but also the temporal, and we believe that a person who is impoverished temporally cannot blossom spiritually.”
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