Simon Belmont wrote: Look, ya silly goose, I don't need to find an example of something you've posted on this board that misrepresents the teachings of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints -- most of your posts do that. One need only use the handy-dandy search feature located at the top of the page, and insert "Darth J" into the author field.
And yet you can't do it. :)
The simple fact is this: you attempt to paint an untrue picture of my church by data-mining from past publications those ideas and opinions which support the particular picture you're painting. It's like you're the Bob Ross of anti-Mormonism.
If it is a fact then you have the responsibility to back up what you assert as fact. Please do. I also notice you now saying data mining which means something very different then quote mining. I suspect you may not know what data mining is, and that it is very legitimate way of finding information and patterns.
I have a hard time believing that you actually believe the caricature you represent here on MDB, because it is so far from the truth about the church for which you served a full-time mission.
I sometimes wonder if many apologists went to a different church then I did.
Darth J wrote:Because Simon Belmont has recently offered his assertion yet again that I am misrepresenting the teachings of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, I am bumping this thread to remind him of my open invitation for him or anyone else to point to a single example of something I have said on this board that misrepresents the teachings of the LDS Church or takes statements from LDS leaders or curricula out of context.
Look, ya silly goose, I don't need to find an example of something you've posted on this board that misrepresents the teachings of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints -- most of your posts do that. One need only use the handy-dandy search feature located at the top of the page, and insert "Darth J" into the author field.
The simple fact is this: you attempt to paint an untrue picture of my church by data-mining from past publications those ideas and opinions which support the particular picture you're painting. It's like you're the Bob Ross of anti-Mormonism.
I have a hard time believing that you actually believe the caricature you represent here on MDB, because it is so far from the truth about the church for which you served a full-time mission.
If you do actually believe what you say here, then I can only conclude that you either learned nothing from your mission, or have forgotten everything from it.
Read: official doctrine.
Parley P. Pratt wrote:We must lie to support brother Joseph, it is our duty to do so.
sock puppet wrote: So when a fire-brand believer comes to an arena like MDB, wielding his or her sword left, right, up and down, and then becomes semi-silent, it is often a signal of the crisis of faith occurring. If he or she left the board suddenly and entirely, did not even lurk here, it would be more likely that he or she perhaps left with his or her testimony unscathed. But when there is the occasional posting, in a much milder, meeker tone than before when brandishing that sword, there is a tale tell evidence that perhaps that crisis of faith is taking place.
Great insight. That's exactly what happened as I was starting to have doubts.
Parley P. Pratt wrote:We must lie to support brother Joseph, it is our duty to do so.
Darth J wrote:Because Simon Belmont has recently offered his assertion yet again that I am misrepresenting the teachings of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, I am bumping this thread to remind him of my open invitation for him or anyone else to point to a single example of something I have said on this board that misrepresents the teachings of the LDS Church or takes statements from LDS leaders or curricula out of context.
Look, ya silly goose, I don't need to find an example of something you've posted on this board that misrepresents the teachings of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints -- most of your posts do that. One need only use the handy-dandy search feature located at the top of the page, and insert "Darth J" into the author field.
The simple fact is this: you attempt to paint an untrue picture of my church by data-mining from past publications those ideas and opinions which support the particular picture you're painting. It's like you're the Bob Ross of anti-Mormonism.
I have a hard time believing that you actually believe the caricature you represent here on MDB, because it is so far from the truth about the church for which you served a full-time mission.
If you do actually believe what you say here, then I can only conclude that you either learned nothing from your mission, or have forgotten everything from it.
"My" church that wasn't worth your time to go on a mission for, you mean?
You know, what with EVERY SINGLE POST I MAKE being a gross distortion of the teachings, practices, and policies of the LDS Church, you'd think that you could find one, single example. I'm sure that "Nuh-uh!!!!" was very impressive to your professors in your masters of philosophy program, but maybe we're just not that academic here at The Great and Spacious Trailer Park.
You've had over a year on this thread to make your case, after all.
Like many defenders of Mormonism, Simon obviously knows very little about the LDS church, its doctrines or its history. He isn't even very dedicated to it.
Parley P. Pratt wrote:We must lie to support brother Joseph, it is our duty to do so.
sock puppet wrote:So when a fire-brand believer comes to an arena like MDB, wielding his or her sword left, right, up and down, and then becomes semi-silent, it is often a signal of the crisis of faith occurring.
No way, Sox. I'm just getting tired of how we treat each other here (myself included).
Darth J wrote:Because Simon Belmont has recently offered his assertion yet again that I am misrepresenting the teachings of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, I am bumping this thread to remind him of my open invitation for him or anyone else to point to a single example of something I have said on this board that misrepresents the teachings of the LDS Church or takes statements from LDS leaders or curricula out of context.
Darth J wrote:
Simon Belmont wrote: Look, ya silly goose, I don't need to find an example of something you've posted on this board that misrepresents the teachings of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints -- most of your posts do that. One need only use the handy-dandy search feature located at the top of the page, and insert "Darth J" into the author field.
The simple fact is this: you attempt to paint an untrue picture of my church by data-mining from past publications those ideas and opinions which support the particular picture you're painting. It's like you're the Bob Ross of anti-Mormonism.
I have a hard time believing that you actually believe the caricature you represent here on MDB, because it is so far from the truth about the church for which you served a full-time mission.
If you do actually believe what you say here, then I can only conclude that you either learned nothing from your mission, or have forgotten everything from it.
"My" church that wasn't worth your time to go on a mission for, you mean?
You know, what with EVERY SINGLE POST I MAKE being a gross distortion of the teachings, practices, and policies of the LDS Church, you'd think that you could find one, single example. I'm sure that "Nuh-uh!!!!" was very impressive to your professors in your masters of philosophy program, but maybe we're just not that academic here at The Great and Spacious Trailer Park.
You've had over a year on this thread to make your case, after all.
Darth J's demand seems a reasonable one to me, and I suspect it will seem reasonable to not a few other posters.
I think that Belmont simply can't come up with a good and defensible example, and knows it. His attempts to use the fallacy of pejorative description ('quote mining' for referencing what LDS representatives have actually said, 'data-mining' for referencing actual facts relating to their claims) suggest he is at the end of his rhetorical tether.
And when I see him falling into faux-naif stemelbowisms such as 'ya' as a form of address, I know he is at the end of his tether.
Zadok: I did not have a faith crisis. I discovered that the Church was having a truth crisis. Maksutov: That's the problem with this supernatural stuff, it doesn't really solve anything. It's a placeholder for ignorance.
Darth J wrote:"My" church that wasn't worth your time to go on a mission for, you mean?
You know, what with EVERY SINGLE POST I MAKE being a gross distortion of the teachings, practices, and policies of the LDS Church, you'd think that you could find one, single example. I'm sure that "Nuh-uh!!!!" was very impressive to your professors in your masters of philosophy program, but maybe we're just not that academic here at The Great and Spacious Trailer Park.
You've had over a year on this thread to make your case, after all.
I didn't say every single post. I said most. For example
Yes, kudos to Simon for that line. It's the cleverest thing he's ever posted, so I do feel the need to give him props for it.
Of course, I'd actually really like to see him address Darth J's challenge. I have always found Darth J's posts to be interesting and informative. If he is stating something about Mormonism that is false, I'd like to be aware of it, so I don't unintentionally repeat something that isn't accurate. It would be a shame of the many people (LDS and non-LDS) who lurk here and read the board were to be misled by something Darth J. said. I think Simon B. owes it to those folks to correct the record if, indeed, the record needs correcting. So what about it, Simon? Will you accept the challenge to point out where Darth J. has misstated Mormon beliefs, doctrine, and history? If he's done it in nearly every post, it ought not be difficult for you to find some examples and point us seekers of truth to the facts and evidence that would refute his claims, right? (And simply pointing to a post and saying "he's wrong" is not really answering the challenge. You have to actually prove it with, you know, facts and evidence and stuff).
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Equality wrote: Yes, kudos to Simon for that line. It's the cleverest thing he's ever posted, so I do feel the need to give him props for it.
Of course, I'd actually really like to see him address Darth J's challenge. I have always found Darth J's posts to be interesting and informative. If he is stating something about Mormonism that is false, I'd like to be aware of it, so I don't unintentionally repeat something that isn't accurate. It would be a shame of the many people (LDS and non-LDS) who lurk here and read the board were to be misled by something Darth J. said. I think Simon B. owes it to those folks to correct the record if, indeed, the record needs correcting. So what about it, Simon? Will you accept the challenge to point out where Darth J. has misstated Mormon beliefs, doctrine, and history? If he's done it in nearly every post, it ought not be difficult for you to find some examples and point us seekers of truth to the facts and evidence that would refute his claims, right? (And simply pointing to a post and saying "he's wrong" is not really answering the challenge. You have to actually prove it with, you know, facts and evidence and stuff).
I also would be interested to see what Simon has to say here. I also find Darth's posts to be seemingly well researched and informative on a variety of topics related to church history. I think that he puts far more thought and time into writing them than I ever have into writing the majority of my posts on this board.
If there are inaccuracies in Darth's posts in terms of him taking things out of context, then I would like to see one or more examples.
"Joseph Smith was called as a prophet, dumb-dumb-dumb-dumb-dumb" -South Park