mfbukowski wrote:Y'all really need a bit of a reading comprehension course.
The fact that some crimes go unpunished has nothing to do with the fact that civilization has survival value.
But I really don't have time for this. You are all so ready to pounce on every word out of my mouth that there is no discussion- it is a waste of time to keep countering your points against points I have NOT made, or points you do not comprehend.
I would rather spend time on the other board where at least people are interested in what I actually have to say.
Darth J wrote:So since I am simply using different words for the same concept, I take it you would have no objection to the following statements:
--"Jesus Christ died for our social taboos."
--"In order to repent properly, we need to meet with priesthood leaders and confess our social taboos."
You are mixing language games. What you are saying is like "UCLA's football team lost to USC by 25 baskets". Not the best analogy- but essentially these are category errors.
Ok I've got it. Glad you all set me straight. The existence of predatory behavior, which if you have not noticed, mostly lands you in jail nowadays, proves that civilization did not evolve, and has no survival value whatsoever.
Gosh, why didn't I think of that?
Bye now.
That’s not the point. What is, is how you’ve set up your pragmatic utility to be that which is, “live in a ‘civilized’ way which is what is required for the optimal society.” This perfectly justifies eugenics and good grounds to sterilize those who don’t fit in to the optimal society.
Do I think you believe in eugenics? No, but you seem as to be completely unaware of what your ideas entail, which is frightening.
MrStakhanovite wrote: That’s not the point. What is, is how you’ve set up your pragmatic utility to be that which is, “live in a ‘civilized’ way which is what is required for the optimal society.” This perfectly justifies eugenics and good grounds to sterilize those who don’t fit in to the optimal society.
Do I think you believe in eugenics? No, but you seem as to be completely unaware of what your ideas entail, which is frightening.
You don't even know what my ideas are much less what they "entail".
It seems to me the last time a society tried eugenics, there was a little war in which the world rose up against that society and to this day, that war is regarded by many as the last "morally justified" conflict the world has known. I think they called it "World War II".
Since we are not speaking German and there are some Jews left in the world, I would say that civilization won.
MrStakhanovite wrote:That’s not the point. What is, is how you’ve set up your pragmatic utility to be that which is, “live in a ‘civilized’ way which is what is required for the optimal society.” This perfectly justifies eugenics and good grounds to sterilize those who don’t fit in to the optimal society.
Isn't the problem here what constitutes "Optimal society?" In other words, don't we reject eugenics because we don't think such a society is optimal (i.e. leads to greater suffering)?
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mfbukowski wrote:It all amounts to the same thing with a different name. You are just using a different vocabulary.
“I don’t know what you mean by ‘glory,’ ” Alice said. Humpty Dumpty smiled contemptuously. “Of course you don’t—till I tell you. I meant ‘there’s a nice knock-down argument for you!’ ” “But ‘glory’ doesn’t mean ‘a nice knock-down argument’,” Alice objected. “When I use a word,” Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, “it means just what I choose it to mean—neither more nor less.” “The question is,” said Alice, “whether you can make words mean so many different things.” “The question is,” said Humpty Dumpty, “which is to be master that’s all.”
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