Simon Belmont: This is what "quote mining" means

[_just me]

I looked through all of them and didn't find a single one. Can you quote one example?

It is not humanly possible to have read 5,000+ posts in the time frame given.

Try again.

I'll bet you'll find one in the first five.

I found none on the first page.

[_Buffalo]

Simon is obviously trying to baffle us with BS, or he'd have posted an example by now.

Same old Simon.

[_Simon Belmont]

I found none on the first page.

Then you weren't looking.

This is from the first page.

[_Buffalo]

I found none on the first page.

Then you weren't looking.

This is from the first page.

Thanks for finally posting an example. Unfortunately for you, it's an accurate representation of Mormon thought. Anything else?

[_schreech]

Thanks for finally posting an example. Unfortunately for you, it's an accurate representation of Mormon thought. Anything else?

Not only that, but DJ was trying to explain Stem's beliefs not the beliefs of the LDS church. So unless simon accepts the stem as an authority on Mormon beliefs, that post isn't an example of misrepresenting LDS beliefs (Im not sure its even a misrepresentation of stem's beliefs).

[_Darth J]

I found none on the first page.

Then you weren't looking.

This is from the first page.

Here is what I said, but with the addition of LDS teachings regarding my statements:

You guys are over-analyzing this.

Look:

Christ suffered this woman's afflictions so that even though she actually experienced the pain and trauma of being raped, he vicariously experienced it, too, and that way they both suffer,

March 2010 Ensign

We often speak of the Atonement in terms of relief from sin and guilt. But the Atonement is more. Alma taught that Christ suffered pains, afflictions, and temptations of every kind so He could be filled with mercy and know how to succor His people according to their infirmities (see Alma 7:11–12).

but someday in the afterlife Christ can make it so she isn't suffering anymore,

March 2010 Ensign

Some of the challenges we experience in this life are conditions of mortality that will not continue into the next life. President Brigham Young (1801–1877) taught: “We talk about our trials and troubles here in this life; but suppose that you could see yourselves thousands and millions of years after you have proved faithful to your religion during the few short years in this time, and have obtained eternal salvation and a crown of glory in the presence of God? Then look back upon your lives here, and see the losses, crosses, and disappointments, the sorrows … ; you would be constrained to exclaim, ‘but what of all that? Those things were but for a moment, and we are now here. We have been faithful during a few moments in our mortality, and now we enjoy eternal life and glory, with power to progress in all the boundless knowledge and through the countless stages of progression, enjoying the smiles and approbation of our Father and God, and of Jesus Christ our elder brother.’”

even though Christ himself is still suffering because he presumably remembers vicariously experiencing it. Unless Christ forgets it, too. Therefore, her suffering was meaningless, because Christ is going to cancel it out ultimately.

"Chapter 6: 1 Nephi 19–22," Book of Mormon Teacher Manual, (2009)

Invite students to read 1 Nephi 21:14–17.

• Why do you think people sometimes feel that the Lord has forgotten them? How might you use this passage to help someone who feels alone or frightened?
• What does it mean to you to be graven on the palms of the Savior’s hands?

Christ also suffered for the rapists, so that they can repent for the sin of raping her. So they ultimately can escape the eternal consequences of what they did.

D&C 19:16-17

16 For behold, I, God, have suffered these things for all, that they might not suffer if they would repent;

17 But if they would not repent they must suffer even as I;

So the woman suffers in this life but is comforted in the next one,

See above

the rapists have a way to escape the consequences so they experience pain and trauma neither in this life nor the next one,

See above

and Christ suffers for it all.

See above

So none of it means anything, because God will redeem both the victim and the rapists.

This is a conclusion drawn from the premises. Simon Belmont incessantly claims that I start with a faulty premise. This rote assertion is not only without evidence but contrary to evidence.

And the grand, eternal purpose God is accomplishing thus is........

Umm.........

Yet to be answered.

Well, we can at least agree that it is necessary for free agency. God has to let the rapists rape her so they can have free agency.

Alma 14:10-11

10 And when Amulek saw the pains of the women and children who were consuming in the fire, he also was pained; and he said unto Alma: How can we witness this awful scene? Therefore let us stretch forth our hands, and exercise the power of God which is in us, and save them from the flames.

11 But Alma said unto him: The Spirit constraineth me that I must not stretch forth mine hand; for behold the Lord receiveth them up unto himself, in glory; and he doth suffer that they may do this thing, or that the people may do this thing unto them, according to the hardness of their hearts, that the judgments which he shall exercise upon them in his wrath may be just; and the blood of the innocent shall stand as a witness against them, yea, and cry mightily against them at the last day.

But the woman doesn't want to be raped (by definition of "rape"), so in order to follow the eternal law by which God is bound, God has to allow one person to have free agency by taking away someone else's (the free agency to choose not to be raped).

Presumably, the women and children whom Alma and Amulek watched being burned did not want to be burned.

And giving free agency to one person by taking away someone else's fulfills the grand, eternal law of free agency because......

Umm..........

Yet to be answered.

Wow, Simon! You have totally pwned me yet again!

[_Simon Belmont]

Wow, Simon! You have totally pwned me yet again!

Yup.

How? It was easy: none of the things you cite from church materials match up with the things you wrote.

For example, in your first statement, the Ensign article that you cite in no way says "Christ got raped just like that woman did."

[_Darth J]

Wow, Simon! You have totally pwned me yet again!

Yup.

How? It was easy: none of the things you cite from church materials match up with the things you wrote.

For example, in your first statement, the Ensign article that you cite in no way says "Christ got raped just like that woman did."

My first statement in no way says, "Christ got raped just like that woman did."

What does the word "vicariously" mean, O Master of Philosophy?

You notice how I distinguished between the woman actually experiencing it and Christ vicariously experiencing it?

So, when you wrote your thesis to get your master's in philosophy, was it pretty much 150 pages of "Nuh-uh!!!!"?

[_Simon Belmont]

My first statement in no way says, "Christ got raped just like that woman did."

What does the word "vicariously" mean, O Master of Philosophy?

You notice how I distinguished between the woman actually experiencing it and Christ vicariously experiencing it?

So, when you wrote your thesis to get your master's in philosophy, was it pretty much 150 pages of "Nuh-uh!!!!"?

Where does the church material say he vicariously experienced rape?

[_Kishkumen]

Christ didn't suffer all things? Huh.