Simon Belmont: This is what "quote mining" means

[_Buffalo]

Christ didn't suffer all things? Huh.

I'm beginning to wonder if Simon is a long-time inactive member. He doesn't seem to know anything about Mormonism at all.

[_Simon Belmont]

Christ didn't suffer all things? Huh.

He did, of course. The manner in which he suffered them is unknown, but I am pretty sure he didn't vicariously have the sensation of being raped. Church materials don't say that he did, either.

[_Buffalo]

Christ didn't suffer all things? Huh.

He did, of course. The manner in which he suffered them is unknown, but I am pretty sure he didn't vicariously have the sensation of being raped. Church materials don't say that he did, either.

How long has it been since you went to church, Simon?

[_Kishkumen]

He did, of course. The manner in which he suffered them is unknown, but I am pretty sure he didn't vicariously have the sensation of being raped. Church materials don't say that he did, either.

Then you are saying that he didn't really suffer all things. He either suffered them, or he did not. There is no special alchemical process that we know of by which he suffered without suffering.

There is always Catholicism, Simon. If you like this esoteric suffering theory you are implying, maybe you will like Transubstantiation.

[_Simon Belmont]

Then you are saying that he didn't really suffer all things. He either suffered them, or he did not. There is no special alchemical process that we know of by which he suffered without suffering.

There is always Catholicism, Simon. If you like this esoteric suffering theory you are implying, maybe you will like Transubstantiation.

Are you aware that 9 out of 10 Biblical scholars agree that Jesus Christ did not have the proper plumbing with which to feel the sensation of a man raping a woman?

[_Buffalo]

Then you are saying that he didn't really suffer all things. He either suffered them, or he did not. There is no special alchemical process that we know of by which he suffered without suffering.

There is always Catholicism, Simon. If you like this esoteric suffering theory you are implying, maybe you will like Transubstantiation.

Are you aware that 9 out of 10 Biblical scholars agree that Jesus Christ did not have the proper plumbing with which to feel the sensation of a man raping a woman?

Jesus only suffered for men. You heard it here first.

[_Darth J]

Christ didn't suffer all things? Huh.

He did, of course. The manner in which he suffered them is unknown, but I am pretty sure he didn't vicariously have the sensation of being raped. Church materials don't say that he did, either.

Simon, what does "vicariously experienced" mean?

James E. Faust, November 2001 Ensign

Since the Savior has suffered anything and everything that we could ever feel or experience, He can help the weak to become stronger. He has personally experienced all of it.

“Lesson 30: Jesus Christ in Gethsemane,” Primary 7: New Testament

Discuss how Jesus Christ, through the Atonement, not only suffered for our sins but also suffered our pains, sicknesses, and sorrows. He understands perfectly everything we experience and suffer on earth.

http://Mormon.org/plan-of-happiness/

It’s comforting to know that God’s Son, Jesus Christ, suffered all things. He understands your pain and can help you through your trials.

Kent F. Richards, April 2011 General Conference

The Savior is not a silent observer. He Himself knows personally and infinitely the pain we face.

“He suffereth the pains of all men, yea, the pains of every living creature, both men, women, and children.”

“Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.”

Sometimes in the depth of pain, we are tempted to ask, “Is there no balm in Gilead; is there no physician there?” I testify the answer is yes, there is a physician. The Atonement of Jesus Christ covers all these conditions and purposes of mortality.

"Healing the Spiritual Wounds of Sexual Abuse," April 2001 Ensign

Through the Atonement the Savior took “upon him the pains and the sicknesses of his people … that his bowels [would] be filled with mercy, according to the flesh, that he [would] know according to the flesh how to succor his people according to their infirmities” (Alma 7:11–12). He understands and knows how to heal us if we will turn our hearts to Him and allow Him to carry our burdens.

Carrie felt alone and misunderstood, isolated in the shame, humiliation, and pain of the abuse she had experienced. In one illuminating moment, she read that the agony of the Atonement caused the Savior, “even God, the greatest of all, to tremble because of pain, and to bleed at every pore, and to suffer both body and spirit” (D&C 19:18). Carrie realized that she was not alone in her suffering and that the Lord had suffered far more. And she realized that He had been sent “to heal the broken-hearted” (Luke 4:18) and that through His Atonement He could heal her wounded soul.

[_Darth J]

Then you are saying that he didn't really suffer all things. He either suffered them, or he did not. There is no special alchemical process that we know of by which he suffered without suffering.

There is always Catholicism, Simon. If you like this esoteric suffering theory you are implying, maybe you will like Transubstantiation.

Are you aware that 9 out of 10 Biblical scholars agree that Jesus Christ did not have the proper plumbing with which to feel the sensation of a man raping a woman?

2 Nephi 9:21

And he cometh into the world that he may save all men if they will hearken unto his voice; for behold, he suffereth the pains of all men, yea, the pains of every living creature, both men, women, and children, who belong to the family of Adam.

[_Drifting]

Do we think that Christ suffered the pain and trauma of discovering His Church is a fraud?

[_Darth J]

Do we think that Christ suffered the pain and trauma of discovering His Church is a fraud?

He suffered that on your behalf.

Unless you are a woman, per Simon Belmont.