Not So Fast There Darth J

[Guest]

That's right, Mormon man God is just a horny man with all the passions and perversions of a creature of Mother Nature (the real ruler of the Universe) who simply wants to propagate his DNA.

So Evil is from Mormon man God and he does place it upon this Earth so all men will suffer and fall short of the Glory of Godhood, thus preserving all them healthy vaginas for himself.

All is lost, all is lost.

Besides, Death is the only true test of any Religion.

[_Darth J]

God is the one who created me as a natural man and then blames me for what He did.

He can't change you until you allow it. We all begin at enmity with God. God is set to fix that.
It is an eternal problem that requires an infinite and eternal solution. The atonement of Jesus Christ is that solution which provides a means for God to intervene and alter our make up so that we are no longer in a state of enmity with God. This is being born of God, conceived his son or his daughter. The concept has been milked out by the uninitiated into a circus of clown acts, none of which is owned by Christ except that which IS his. All clowns put on an appearance the real deal come by power with the certain knowledge of God.

Man is by nature inimical to God, but by accepting Christ, man can change and approach God.

Excellent, Nightlion. Never in the last 2,000 years has this idea occurred to a single believing Christian.

This is truly groundbreaking, innovative stuff here.

[_The Mighty Builder]

Darth J

Please define which Mormon Man God you are talking about.

After all Elohim is just the "latest" in a long line of Mormon Man Gods and so not really the originator of the "Plan of Salvation" under which we are currently being punished for letting him "Create" us.

[_Nightlion]

Why did Jesus heal people and feed them, Nightlion, since it is evil and suffering that teach us and make us contemplate? Why is it a miracle for God to fix a problem that He caused or allowed to happen?

Should I be praised for burning down a house but then giving a tent to the family that lost their house?

All those he fed turned against him. He proved them by telling them more than they wanted to know and convicted them of evil. They resolved that conviction poorly by killing Christ.

Man! I feel like I used to after a day at church. I knew people around you can grind upon your soul and sap virtue from you and leave you warn out and beat up. I never did them any good. And against this resistance I am getting from afar off little to no good is come of it now. I must have burned some feathers though.

And yeah, I know burning feathers is not unique to my Mormonism. :)

[_Darth J]

Darth J

Please define which Mormon Man God you are talking about.

After all Elohim is just the "latest" in a long line of Mormon Man Gods and so not really the originator of the "Plan of Salvation" under which we are currently being punished for letting him "Create" us.

You know, that's a valid point. Are we blaming Elohim as God?

Or God God (Elohim's father)?

Or God God God?

See, if Mormons would just admit that they are a non-theistic religion, and that they believe in gods, not God in the traditional theistic sense, they might have their foot in the door to something really insightful and interesting.

But Mormons don't want that. Even though the gods of Mormonism exist in time and space, and come to be gods through the process of mortality, then one of two things:

1. There is no theistic "God" in Mormonism that is the first cause.

Or

2. There is a first-cause God as in traditional theism, in which case the only thing Mormonism does is add more steps to the problem of evil by positing the doctrine of eternal progression.

But Mormons don't want to swing this way. They ascribe to Elohim all of the attributes of God in the regular theistic sense, and they merely repeat other people's answers (or quips, anyway) to the problem of evil.

[_Nightlion]

Astoundingly ingenious means of creating faith where none existed before. Cool. Nobody likes work. The drudgery of it all. But that is how things get done and built. Perhaps ten or a hundred bouts of such eternities before enough faith crystallizes to access the upgrade. How else is a diamond made?

Your explanation of why we need to suffer is so that we can reflect and learn. A piece of mineral cannot do either.

But since an analogy is in the eye of the analyzer:

When I was in high school, I wanted to learn to play the piano. So I thought about burritos. Burritos are filled with rice, or beans, or meat, or cheese, and then rolled into a cylinder kind of shape. They are very good if you like Mexican food.

So if you want to learn to play the piano, you should be like a burrito.

Vain jangling is a Mopologetic. Darth J, hey. Darth J. Aren't you going to tell me that harvesting faith from evil has been said before? Hmm?

[_Darth J]

Astoundingly ingenious means of creating faith where none existed before. Cool. Nobody likes work. The drudgery of it all. But that is how things get done and built. Perhaps ten or a hundred bouts of such eternities before enough faith crystallizes to access the upgrade. How else is a diamond made?

Your explanation of why we need to suffer is so that we can reflect and learn. A piece of mineral cannot do either.

But since an analogy is in the eye of the analyzer:

When I was in high school, I wanted to learn to play the piano. So I thought about burritos. Burritos are filled with rice, or beans, or meat, or cheese, and then rolled into a cylinder kind of shape. They are very good if you like Mexican food.

So if you want to learn to play the piano, you should be like a burrito.

Vain jangling is a Mopologetic. Darth J, hey. Darth J. Aren't you going to tell me that harvesting faith from evil has been said before? Hmm?

Evil is like a burrito.

A burrito made of diamonds.

[Guest]

It is becoming very clear to me that both Darth J and Nightlion are sorely vexed because of their understanding of the "Plan of Salvation."

They have finally figured out that as explained by the Mormon Prophets and Apostles that this truly is the last days when the valiant spirits were chosen to come to Earth and receive bodies so they could be brought up during a time when the True and Everlasting Gospel was upon the Earth.

They just now realize that to be truly Valiant means they should have been born post 1978 "Non-Revelation, Revelation" and to goodly parents in Sub-Continent Africa to starve to death before the "age of Accountability" therefore having guaranteed entrance into the Celestial Kingdom.

Those lucky starving babies in Africa. They just don't know how good they have it. The only Evil being perpetrated on them are those Do-gooder Christians that are trying to feed them and keep them alive until they endure past the age of Accountability.

Sucks to miss the Mark by so little, right Darth J and Nightlion.

Oh, by the way, Mmmm, Burritos.

[_Nightlion]

D&C 105: 6
6 And my people must needs be chastened until they learn obedience, if it must needs be, by the things which they suffer.

We are suppose to learn from our experience. When you are committed to solving a problem you do not give up after the first attempt. You try everything until you discover what works.
Or you end up proving how very little you cared from the outset.

See?

Sometimes, we are suffering because it is just how life is and we need to learn from it. We didn't do anything wrong, but we need to learn to have faith.

Other times, we already have faith, but that faith is being tested, even though the reason we have faith is that we have already been tested.

And then there are times when bad things happen to us because it's like God is spanking us, and he needs to teach us obedience.

And God gives us no way to tell the difference.

With the assets God provides to the sanctified there is not this problem. Those who are uninitiated should do better to just stop thinking about it altogether. Pretense is never the real thing. Considerations of God by way of pretense is futile. There is a way to come to know God. Less than that men should admit their ignorance and stop pretending to know anything about it. They are only going to mess it up and get mad and stomp on every green thing.

[_Nightlion]

Ah, the arguments of the physically/mentally/emotionally/spiritually feeble.

So you all understand God HATES all men regardless of their state. Natural man, Exalted man, Working man, Man man, every man.

Simple reason, all men are competition for hording women. And as we all know Mormon man God loves the Women.

Not so as you mean it. In my Mormonism God is not a sexual being. How's 'bout that!