They call him Flipper...

[_sock puppet]

I don't think it is sad that people think as ajax expressed, just not a perspective that I share.

Why?

I see your point. My perspective takes into account that point and the other one that bot mentioned, too.

[_ajax18]

A vast amount is spent on national defense...

I agree that national defense is expensive and perhaps could be more efficient. But I don't regret one dime in my taxes being paid to support the family of a soldier. That's about as far from giving the country away to foreigners as you can get.

Honestly Dude, I think irresponsible reproductive strategies are being selected for. Those are the genes that are going to survive. It's not a world that I would want, but that's evolution.

[_moksha]

It's those 20-30% on the Left, who must at all costs, portray middle America as the "radical fringe" to keep people from noticing that it is they themselves who are the fringe.

Those Leftists are afraid people will discover that they never listen to AM radio talk shows and are not fully exercising their right to bear arms or buy into the gold market before it is too late.

[_The Dude]

A vast amount is spent on national defense...

I agree that national defense is expensive and perhaps could be more efficient. But I don't regret one dime in my taxes being paid to support the family of a soldier. That's about as far from giving the country away to foreigners as you can get.

Honestly Dude, I think irresponsible reproductive strategies are being selected for. Those are the genes that are going to survive. It's not a world that I would want, but that's evolution.

Yeah, Idiocracy was a great movie. My food storage is all energy drinks.

Back to reality. What is the gene for "irresponsible reproductive strategies" that you think is being selected for? I came from a Mormon family of 8 kids and my mom came from a Mormon family of 9 kids. But I only have 2 kids. So I guess evolution is false? Or else your premise about the cause of irresponsible reproduction is false - it's culture, ajax18, not genetics. If you educate those poor people (no matter if they are white or brown), even if you let them go to state funded colleges on the tax payer dollar, you will cure them of irresponsible reproduction just as surely as education cured me of Mormonism.

[_ajax18]

What exactly is it that people don't know that causes them to have kids they can't afford? If education is the answer than what's to know that they don't know? I don't think it's too complicated to understand how to use birth control. It's not that expensive either. I think it's just the natural human drive to reproduce that pushes unwed mothers to choose to have children, not because it was some accident, but due to a deliberate choice they made. They already go to state funded high schools. What more is college going to teach them that will cure them of irresponsible reproductive behavior?

I agree that it's culture. It's one of the things I dislike about their culture. It's a part of their culture that I wish were not being adopted here in my country.

I don't see it as a question of knowledge but rather a question of what morals one chooses to live by. You can't educate morality. People choose what morals they accept and what morals they reject.

[_The Dude]

What exactly is it that people don't know that causes them to have kids they can't afford? If education is the answer than what's to know that they don't know? I don't think it's too complicated to understand how to use birth control. It's not that expensive either.

Do you think tax money should support planned parenthood? I do. But that's a liberal cause.

I think it's just the natural human drive to reproduce that pushes unwed mothers to choose to have children, not because it was some accident, but due to a deliberate choice they made.

Do unwed fathers have any say in this, or are they just victims of female lust?

They already go to state funded high schools. What more is college going to teach them that will cure them of irresponsible reproductive behavior?

Well, getting pregnant in high school usually limits one's opportunity to go to college, at least without some help from the government. Oops, back to square 1. This is why it might look genetic - the culture is self perpetuating. Somebody has to step in and provide an alternative, and that costs money.

From my previous post you seem to think I'm saying education is just memorizing facts. But it's more than that, It is a change in culture for people who previously lacked opportunities. But at least you have discarded the belief that your sociopolitical attitude is supported by genetics or evolution, which is progress.

I agree that it's culture. It's one of the things I dislike about their culture. It's a part of their culture that I wish were not being adopted here in my country.

Whose culture are you referring to? Mexico? Fella, there are plenty -PLENTY! - of white people who were born and raised in America who have the "culture" we are talking about. Many of them vote Republican as a part of their culture, without realizing how the GOP is not in their best interest. Where I live there aren't many Mexicans but we have the same problem of irresponsible reproduction that you are focusing on. I'm really confused about this could be addressed by curbing illegal immigration. It's like a scapegoat for you, a little bit like the Nazis blaming the Jews. Sorry if that seems extreme but there you have it.

I don't see it as a question of knowledge but rather a question of what morals one chooses to live by. You can't educate morality. People choose what morals they accept and what morals they reject.

So illegal immigration is the cause of immorality? WTF?

[_ajax18]

It is a change in culture for people who previously lacked opportunities.

Are you referring to the idea that if a woman has an oppurtunity to get a good job, she'll be more likely to postpone motherhood? Give me a good job, or I'll go get pregnant and you'll end up having to pay me anyway. It sounds like a good reproductive strategy to me. Perhaps I should adopt it as well.

Maybe I should just purchase one of these countries. Then I could make the U.S. government pay me to keep my people in my own country. It seems to be working for Fidel Castro.

I'm really confused about this could be addressed by curbing illegal immigration.

Because no matter how many immigrants you legalize, there will always be more who want to come and are willing to do it illegally by whatever means. It almost seems to me that the native Indian peoples of South America lived better than the Latinos do now. It's a situation that only seems to get worse instead of better.

I don't think American voters have been around the world enough to understand the size of the problem. Employers will still hire illegal immigrants because illegal immigrants have no rights. Illegal immigrants will work for less than welfare pays. That's why we have all these jobs for immigrants and yet still have a high unemployment rate. Many employers get away with not paying illegal immigrants at all sometimes. What are they going to do, take their employer to court?

[_Drifting]

It is a change in culture for people who previously lacked opportunities.

Are you referring to the idea that if a woman has an oppurtunity to get a good job, she'll be more likely to postpone motherhood? Give me a good job, or I'll go get pregnant and you'll end up having to pay me anyway. It sounds like a good reproductive strategy to me. Perhaps I should adopt it as well.

Maybe I should just purchase one of these countries. Then I could make the U.S. government pay me to keep my people in my own country. It seems to be working for Fidel Castro.

I'm really confused about this could be addressed by curbing illegal immigration.

Because no matter how many immigrants you legalize, there will always be more who want to come and are willing to do it illegally by whatever means. I don't think American voters have been around the world enough to understand the size of the problem. Employers will still hire illegal immigrants because illegal immigrants have no rights. Illegal immigrants will work for less than welfare pays. That's why we have all these jobs for immigrants and yet still have a high unemployment rate. Many employers get away with not paying illegal immigrants at all sometimes. What are they going to do, take their employer to court?

Where does Romney stand on the Church 'employing' illegals to serve as Priesthood leaders in their congregations?

[_Drifting]

Immigration restrictions are unChristian, uneconomic, unfair, racist, xenophobic and absurd.

Well said.

I can see enforcing some kind of immigration laws when it comes to criminal activity or drug cartels, etc. But Yahoo Bot is right that immigration is the life blood of an expanding economy, etc. People forget how this country became so prosperous in the first place.

I think this is a difficult subject.
I can see where a strict immigration policy might be perceived as racist, unfair etc but it is worth noting that, as is happening in other parts of the globe, that the price for a Christian & liberal approach to immigration may well be the long term security and welfare of your grandchildren.

It is not, in my opinion an easily defined, clear cut decision.

For example would the Native American population of the pre British/French/Whoever settlement era look back in hindsight and say immigration worked out well for the indiginous people?

[_ajax18]

It is not, in my opinion an easily defined, clear cut decision.

I think we'll find that no decision was a decision even if it's not the decision we would have chosen to make.

Where does Romney stand on the Church 'employing' illegals to serve as Priesthood leaders in their congregations?

Let's ask him. How many here think he'll give us a straight answer?