Religious Claims Cannot Be Falsified

[_Username]

It depends on the nature of the religious claim. Joseph Smith's Book of Abraham claim and the OP's claim that the chinese menu reveals the true nature of Rodney Dangerfield can both be falsified since the so-called translations are linked to existing documents that can be translated by experts. Whether Joseph Smith or the OP actually had some inner experience that they interpreted as revelation cannot be falsified; the claim that the source materials are valid evidence of the reality purported revelations can be falsified through translation of the documents.

On the other hand, religious claims based soley on a person's inner life cannot be falisifed; they are not subject to scientific scrutiny. Try to falsify the claim that I dreamed such and such last night or thought this and that this morning. You cannot. Does that make them any less real experiences? There are clearly some limits to what scientific empiricism can account for by way of direct observation and experiment. A person's inner life is inaccessible to anyone but the person who owns those experiences. That is why religion will always be with us.

[_Chap]

...full of Tao...

Do I get the feeling that Morley is trying to hint at something?

Perhaps along the lines of ...

[_Drifting]

However, because my claims are religious in nature, they cannot be falsified.

Correct. Now build a 14 million member religion out of it.

Does he need more than 40% to be active?

[_ludwigm]

[*quote="Darth J"]However, because my claims are religious in nature, they cannot be falsified.[*/quote]
Correct. Now build a 14 million member religion out of it.

Does he need more than 40% to be active?

25% is good enough...

[_Buffalo]

It depends on the nature of the religious claim. Joseph Smith's Book of Abraham claim and the OP's claim that the chinese menu reveals the true nature of Rodney Dangerfield can both be falsified since the so-called translations are linked to existing documents that can be translated by experts. Whether Joseph Smith or the OP actually had some inner experience that they interpreted as revelation cannot be falsified; the claim that the source materials are valid evidence of the reality purported revelations can be falsified through translation of the documents.

On the other hand, religious claims based soley on a person's inner life cannot be falisifed; they are not subject to scientific scrutiny. Try to falsify the claim that I dreamed such and such last night or thought this and that this morning. You cannot. Does that make them any less real experiences? There are clearly some limits to what scientific empiricism can account for by way of direct observation and experiment. A person's inner life is inaccessible to anyone but the person who owns those experiences. That is why religion will always be with us.

For now.

[_Some Schmo]

Do we really need to falsify religious claims? Don't they mostly do it on their own?

Two men say they're Jesus,
One of them must be wrong...

~Mark Knopfler

[_stemelbow]

So the point of this thread is the complain that religious people can make claims that DJ and his buds can't falsify? who cares? How is that the religious' fault. If ya can't do it, stop pouting about it already. Just admit it, move one and find some sort of joy or meaning in life. Afterall pouting about one religion seems unnecessarily angry.

This is the kind of thing these sorts of threads amount to, I'd say:

its makes me so huffing puff angry that there are people who believe religious things like Mormonism. In my estimation there is no way Mormonism can be right. I mean the evidence in my estimation shows it can't be. But, I can't quite prove it completely wrong so I like to pout more and more as there are people who actually rely on things I can't see as the means to believe. I'm so mad and stuff....it hurts.

[Guest]

If they can not be falsified then neither can they be verified leaving them at best as unsupportable claims.

[_Molok]

So the point of this thread is the complain that religious people can make claims that DJ and his buds can't falsify? who cares? How is that the religious' fault. If ya can't do it, stop pouting about it already. Just admit it, move one and find some sort of joy or meaning in life. Afterall pouting about one religion seems unnecessarily angry.

This is the kind of thing these sorts of threads amount to, I'd say:

its makes me so huffing puff angry that there are people who believe religious things like Mormonism. In my estimation there is no way Mormonism can be right. I mean the evidence in my estimation shows it can't be. But, I can't quite prove it completely wrong so I like to pout more and more as there are people who actually rely on things I can't see as the means to believe. I'm so mad and stuff....it hurts.

No, Darth J is engaging in gentle mocking. The rage you keep seeing under the surface of all these posts is probably your own.

[_Buffalo]

No, Darth J is engaging in gentle mocking. The rage you keep seeing under the surface of all these posts is probably your own.

I'm worried about Stem. He seems to be turning into old whatshisname, the guy who claims to have seen demons and stuff who left in a huff a while back.