and other times, MD&D creeps me out...

[_Doctor Scratch]

MFBukowski:

Just out of curiosity, what is your definition of the "optimal society"? Would you say that it's more or less in keeping with what the Church teaches?

I'm not falling for that one. You tell me what you mean by that first.

I have no idea what an "optimal society" would be, MF, and I wasn't the one who brought up the notion, so I don't "mean" anything by it. You were the one talking about it in your original post, so I was curious what you meant. If you're too embarrassed to share, that's fine.

[_Darth J]

MFBukowski:

Just out of curiosity, what is your definition of the "optimal society"? Would you say that it's more or less in keeping with what the Church teaches?

I'm not falling for that one. You tell me what you mean by that first.

I lived in Utah for one year and I detested it. I moved back "home" to LA where there was some diversity.

But yet I bet you live in Utah. That's why you are still carrying a torch against the church.

In LA no one would cares enough to be anti anything. Too much work.

I think it's sad that Mfbukowski perceives this world-wide religious movement, the stone was cut out of the mountain without hands, as being so provincial and Utah-centric.

What a terrible slur against the Lord's Church.

[_Darth J]

I would imagine that participating in threads instead of complaining about them from the sidelines might be more interesting. But that's just me.

More interesting? More entertaining perhaps?

Yeah, and about as valuable intellectually as a video game. That is most of what happens here.

In my own way, I would like to see it changed to something more substantive but I don't think it is possible with the present citizenry.

Not all of us can handle deep, philosophical constructs like the observation that common-sense ideas about practical daily life keep us from getting killed.

I mean, that is some really heady stuff you've got going there.

[_mfbukowski]

I think it's sad that Mfbukowski perceives this world-wide religious movement, the stone was cut out of the mountain without hands, as being so provincial and Utah-centric.

What a terrible slur against the Lord's Church.

Oh yeah. Good one. That is exactly what I was saying. Uh huh. Unbelievable.

[_mfbukowski]

Not all of us can handle deep, philosophical constructs like the observation that common-sense ideas about practical daily life keep us from getting killed.

Yep, at last we agree. Thanks for your affirmation that my points are total common sense.

That is the essence of pragmatic ethics.

[_Darth J]

I think it's sad that Mfbukowski perceives this world-wide religious movement, the stone was cut out of the mountain without hands, as being so provincial and Utah-centric.

What a terrible slur against the Lord's Church.

Oh yeah. Good one. That is exactly what I was saying. Uh huh. Unbelievable.

From what I hear, there is no diversity in Utah, and people outside of Utah don't care enough about Mormonism to be anti-Mormon.

[_Darth J]

Not all of us can handle deep, philosophical constructs like the observation that common-sense ideas about practical daily life keep us from getting killed.

Yep, at last we agree. Thanks for your affirmation that my points are total common sense.

That is the essence of pragmatic ethics.

Yes. You have to be really smart to figure out things like drunk driving is generally seen as immoral because of the practical effects of drunk driving.

[_mfbukowski]

I have no idea what an "optimal society" would be, MF, and I wasn't the one who brought up the notion, so I don't "mean" anything by it. You were the one talking about it in your original post, so I was curious what you meant. If you're too embarrassed to share, that's fine.

Awww you caught me! I'm just blushing all over the place!

MFBukowski:

Just out of curiosity, what is your definition of the "optimal society"? Would you say that it's more or less in keeping with what the Church teaches?

Come on now, you're a bright boy, work with me here.

Can you see the difference between the first post and the second?

That little part about what the church teaches an optimal society is? I don't recall reading any doctrine on that do you? That's what I wanted you to reference for me.

Well time to do something more important than this.

Like maybe playing pong.

[Guest]

Yes. You have to be really smart to figure out things like drunk driving is generally seen as immoral because of the practical effects of drunk driving.

Yep.

Ask Stak why he had a problem with it. I can't figure it out.

[_Phaedrus Ut]

God is moral?

If we cheat on our wives, life gets complicated

Was God's impregnation of Mary consensual? Wasn't God married at the time? If God wasn't married to Mary isn't that sex out of wedlock? Plus isn't Mary his daughter?

Phaedrus