Simon Belmont: This is what "quote mining" means

[_just me]

"Bishop, I appreciate your talking to me about when I was raped. It's nice to have church leaders to be here for me, but I really wish that the Savior could understand how I feel, so that he could comfort and heal my sorrows."

"That would be nice, wouldn't it? Unfortunately, Jesus didn't have a vagina, so He can't understand how you feel and has no power to be your Savior, nor any ability to take your pain and sorrow upon Himself. You're on your own on this one. Sorry!"

This is actually one of the reasons that an all male godhead is damaging to people. Many women need and crave a feminine divine that they can access and lean upon in a way that is just not possible for a man to fill.

[_Darth J]

Well, DJ, readers can simply read your posts. If you disagree with my assessment, we can clear this up, here and now:

Do you, Darth J. believe that Jesus felt the physical and mental pains and sensations of a male raping a female, and of a female raping a male, of all people from the beginning of time until the end of time?

Yes or no will suffice.

Moving the goalposts: you are changing the issue from what the LDS Church officially teaches to what I personally believe.

I think it's really sad that your devotion to Mopologetics has made it so that not only are you not a believing Mormon, but your rejection of the miracle of the Atonement shows that you are not even a Christian.

[_Simon Belmont]

Wow, a dodge!

Let me rephrase, then:

Do you, Darth J. believe that the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints teaches that Jesus felt the physical and mental pains and sensations of a male raping a female, and of a female raping a male, of all people from the beginning of time until the end of time?

Yes or no will suffice.

[_Simon Belmont]

This is actually one of the reasons that an all male godhead is damaging to people. Many women need and crave a feminine divine that they can access and lean upon in a way that is just not possible for a man to fill.

There's nothing wrong with being male, JM.

[_asbestosman]

Do you, Darth J. believe that Jesus felt the physical and mental pains and sensations of a male raping a female, and of a female raping a male, of all people from the beginning of time until the end of time?

Yes or no will suffice.

I will answer for Darth.

No he does not.

And that's completely irrelavent. What Darth does believe is that LDS leaders teach that Jesus felt the pain (it does not specify physical or mental or both), of all people.


By the way, do you think it's impossible to feel something if you don't have that particular body part? If so, how do you explain the phantom limb phenomena? Now, if that's possible, why is it impossible to feel pain from something you've never had--because to allow such a thing will let Darth win?

[_Buffalo]

Well, DJ, readers can simply read your posts. If you disagree with my assessment, we can clear this up, here and now:

Do you, Darth J. believe that Jesus felt the physical and mental pains and sensations of a male raping a female, and of a female raping a male, of all people from the beginning of time until the end of time?

Yes or no will suffice.

That's LDS doctrine. The question is, do YOU believe it?

[_just me]

This is actually one of the reasons that an all male godhead is damaging to people. Many women need and crave a feminine divine that they can access and lean upon in a way that is just not possible for a man to fill.

There's nothing wrong with being male, JM.

I don't recall saying there was. Is there something wrong with a female deity?

It's so sad how the desire for a mother or feminine divine automatically makes you a man-hater in the eyes of so many LDS.

[_asbestosman]

This is actually one of the reasons that an all male godhead is damaging to people. Many women need and crave a feminine divine that they can access and lean upon in a way that is just not possible for a man to fill.

I wouldn't object to a feminine divine. In fact, I don't see how an all female godhead would leave me craving anything.

I find it odd that God would have to personally experience my pain in order to comfort me. When I was young, I didn't need mom to feel just like me in order to get comfort from her. No, what's wrong is when someone is just trying to make you shut up about your pain. As a man, I'll accept someone trying to help fix the issue without understanding in any deep way, but women want people to understand it.

[_Darth J]

Wow, a dodge!

No, Simon, declining to answer an irrelevant question is not a dodge.

Let me rephrase, then:

This is not a "rephrase." It is a substantively different question.

Do you, Darth J. believe that the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints teaches that Jesus felt the physical and mental pains and sensations of a male raping a female, and of a female raping a male, of all people from the beginning of time until the end of time?

Yes or no will suffice.

Yes. Chap already explained it in this thread:

1. Women who are raped feel the sensation specified by Belmont.
2. According to James E. Faust, the Savior suffers everything we could feel.
3. Therefore the Savior suffers the feeling specified by Belmont.

The straw man that you are yourself raping is your insistence that I have proposed some mechanism of how this would have happened, or that I have stated that the Church teaches some mechanism of how this would have happened. I have never made that statement.

Although I think it is misleading to say that Mormons are not Christians, this thread has been helpful in demonstrating that Mopologist disciples like Simon Belmont are not Christian, since they deny the miracle of the Atonement because they cannot understand how it would have happened.

[_Darth J]

This is actually one of the reasons that an all male godhead is damaging to people. Many women need and crave a feminine divine that they can access and lean upon in a way that is just not possible for a man to fill.

I wouldn't object to a feminine divine. In fact, I don't see how an all female godhead would leave me craving anything.

I find it odd that God would have to personally experience my pain in order to comfort me. When I was young, I didn't need mom to feel just like me in order to get comfort from her. No, what's wrong is when someone is just trying to make you shut up about your pain. As a man, I'll accept someone trying to help fix the issue without understanding in any deep way, but women want people to understand it.

It's because Jesus is doing more than just sympathizing with you like your mom did. As the Savior, Jesus is healing you and taking away your pain.