Darth J wrote:This is the Bandwagon Fallacy, Stemelbow. How widely accepted a belief is does not determine the truth value of that belief.
Earth to DJ: The fallacy would be me invoking the notion that many people believe in Mormonism is proof of it being true. that's not my take. Indeed I'd encourage you and Buffalo in your disengenuous games. In the mean time, I'll also happily accept any LDS converts to teh good cause.
I think it'd help you if you actually read and paid attention to other posters who disagree with ya, DJ, rather than trying your best to misrepresent them and then pouting about the straw men you create.
Love ya tons, Stem
I ain't nuttin'. don't get all worked up on account of me.
Buffalo wrote:Are you saying you can't disprove the claim that Joseph Smith was Brigham's rent boy? So it's a valid possibility on equal footing with the historicity of the Book of Mormon, right? Or actually on greater footing, since we know for sure that Brigham and Joseph were real people.
all right, Buffalo, you and DJ ought to take up the notion of promoting such a position. More power to ya. maybe people will happily accept your claims. In the mean time we'll see how well the claims of Mormonism ring in the ears of others too.
I don't see what effect belief has on the truth value of these propositions. Either they're true or they're not.
However, I suspect many more than a few million (the number of active Mormons) people would believe that two unpopular 19th century religious figures were secretly gay.
Parley P. Pratt wrote:We must lie to support brother Joseph, it is our duty to do so.
Stem, you need to divorce yourself from the notion that your faith is evidence of anything other than your ability to believe. It is not evidence of the truthfulness OF your beliefs.
You're not using good logic here, Stem. You're all over the place, leaning on emotion instead of reason.
Parley P. Pratt wrote:We must lie to support brother Joseph, it is our duty to do so.
Molok wrote:No, Darth J is engaging in gentle mocking. The rage you keep seeing under the surface of all these posts is probably your own.
The rage is your own. I see your hostile posts. Don't pout. No big deal. let it go. enjoy living and stop whining about me or others. It'll help. take the advice or leave it.
Buffalo wrote:Stem, you need to divorce yourself from the notion that your faith is evidence of anything other than your ability to believe. It is not evidence of the truthfulness OF your beliefs.
I don't need nuttin', buffalo. You woudn't know if faith is evidence or not seeing as you don't know what makes up my faith at all.
You're not using good logic here, Stem. You're all over the place, leaning on emotion instead of reason.
I'm not leaning on emotion.
Love ya tons, Stem
I ain't nuttin'. don't get all worked up on account of me.
Buffalo wrote:I don't see what effect belief has on the truth value of these propositions. Either they're true or they're not.
However, I suspect many more than a few million (the number of active Mormons) people would believe that two unpopular 19th century religious figures were secretly gay.
Perhaps, people like the dirt these days. It makes 'em giggle as much as anything.
Love ya tons, Stem
I ain't nuttin'. don't get all worked up on account of me.
Buffalo wrote:Stem, you need to divorce yourself from the notion that your faith is evidence of anything other than your ability to believe. It is not evidence of the truthfulness OF your beliefs.
I don't need nuttin', buffalo. You woudn't know if faith is evidence or not seeing as you don't know what makes up my faith at all.
Until 18 months ago, I was a believing Mormon just like you, Stem. I know for sure that faith is not evidence. And I would know it even if I'd never had faith, because I know what evidence is, and faith doesn't meet the definition, other than evidence for your internal state of mind.
stemelbow wrote: I'm not leaning on emotion.
If you say so.
Parley P. Pratt wrote:We must lie to support brother Joseph, it is our duty to do so.
Buffalo wrote:I don't see what effect belief has on the truth value of these propositions. Either they're true or they're not.
However, I suspect many more than a few million (the number of active Mormons) people would believe that two unpopular 19th century religious figures were secretly gay.
Perhaps, people like the dirt these days. It makes 'em giggle as much as anything.
The point is who believes it is irrelevant. I'm not sure why you brought it up.
Parley P. Pratt wrote:We must lie to support brother Joseph, it is our duty to do so.
SteelHead wrote:If they can not be falsified then neither can they be verified leaving them at best as unsupportable claims.
...leaving them at best nothing but unsubstantiated hopes, like a little girl's hopes that it is really the tooth fairy that leaves her money under her pillow. Both are merely unsubstantiated, whimsical notions.
Darth J wrote:What about this: what if my wife catches me in the barn having sex with a teenage girl, and I spin that into the beautiful doctrine of eternal marriage? Would that impress you?
Of course it would impress a defender. After all, remember the founding history of what they are defending.