Stemelbow throwdown on Mattie

[_sock puppet]

One quick story then I'll offer my take on this whole episode.

I cleaned out the shed at my house on Saturday. It felt so good to get it done and before winter really hit--everything's nicely organized and when my boy gets out to winter camping and snowboarding the place will get all messy again. Ah well. I came inside to find my 13 year old and his friend down stairs playing some videa game. I sat for a few to chat with the kids to my delight. Within a few minutes we heard someone come down the stairwell and low and behold some kid with down syndrome was standing at our light switch with a big grin offerin' us a "hello".

"uh, well hello there. The kids here are playing video games you want to try?" I motioned to my son to offer him his control toy.

The kid excitedly took it. We figured my wife let him in and knew who he was. But it was odd she didn't say anything or come down. I headed up stairs and my son followed.

"uh...who's the kid that came downstairs?" I asked my lovely wife.

"what kid? Is Niklas here again?"

"no. some other blond haired kid"

she went down stairs and knew who he was. Apparently he is our neighbor’s grandson who let himself in. We called over there and they were all going crazy wondering where he was. When they came by to pick him up he came upstairs with cheetos stuffed in his mouth and orange residue on his mouth and fingers. He was all guilty looking and his older sister played the part of a disappointed adult as she said, “come on” with her hands on her hips. He walked toward her with his head down and disappointed as she put her arm around him and guided him back out.

I’m eager to get to know that kid some more.

Interesting, recent life experience. (I wish stem had had the self-control to have stopped right there.)

DJ’s repeated exploitation of autism isn’t the same as this. Mattie’s point was not to say I have down syndrome. Her point was more along the lines of the ganging up mentality on others.

Ahh, the old circle the wagons around another Mormon, no matter how off the mark their conduct or statement might have been. The 11th Commandment of Mormonism is Thou shalt not speak ill of another Mormon.

DJ’s use was far more problematic in my estimation

Sure, 'cause he doesn't tow the party line anymore, everything Darth J says must be looked at suspiciously. 'You're either with us, or against us', right, stem?

, but the other example provide by Mattie was pretty pathetic too. I feel for Mattie. I don’t think she’s able to quite square the hostility of this joint with reality…oh wait that’s my thing too. Well, what can ya say.

dissonance, our old friend

As for that thread, I don’t know what Mattie’s issue was. I spanked old DJ nicely again.

Now, the Mormon male crows a victory to impress the Mormon female, but what victory you ask? Even one victory in a skirmish with Darth J yet eludes our hapless stem

Surely this joint can be rather obscure, as there are maybe 100 or so people who post here and read here, and also house the words from Schryver that are problematic from the perspective of the Maxwell Institute.

So obscure stem can't leave MDB alone, for fear others whom might be looking into Mormonism or doubting it might see what is discussed here

This place doesn’t have to have a lot of traffic or have much influence at all for the words he put down to be problematic. No one wants to be associated with those pathetic comments he offered when speaking to some of the women posters here. Dj seems to think there is some sort of double standard going on when I say that, but boy is he wrong. Words here can be sent all over the web within seconds. Surely we can clearly see how this place, though obscure relatively speaking, can have some of Will’s words/ideas/comments that the Maxwell Institute doesn’t want to be associated with.

MDB is that old pernicious use of the 'net by ... Satan? Come now, stem. The bogeyman is not real.

[_stemelbow]

Sure, 'cause he doesn't tow the party line anymore, everything Darth J says must be looked at suspiciously. 'You're either with us, or against us', right, stem?

Settle down, old man (I’m guessing you’re a little old). I explained why DJ”s repeated exploitation of autism is more problematic. But, I do not at all condone Mattie’s exploitation of Down Syndrome either. They are each pathetic games played in hostility. It has nothing to do with Mattie’s religious beliefs. But it is curious, your comments in all of this.

Now, the Mormon male crows a victory to impress the Mormon female

What the garbage? I obviously haven’t impressed her at all and don’t care if I do. I was just tyring to explain myself.

So obscure stem can't leave MDB alone, for fear others whom might be looking into Mormonism or doubting it might see what is discussed here

I’ve mentioned on numerous occasions why I’m here. It doesn’t have anything to do with what you are trying to attribute to me.

]MDB is that old pernicious use of the 'net by ... Satan? Come now, stem. The bogeyman is not real.

You clearly missed my point. Ah well…you and DJ both.

[_sock puppet]

MDB is that old pernicious use of the 'net by ... Satan? Come now, stem. The bogeyman is not real.

You clearly missed my point. Ah well…you and DJ both.

It just wouldn't be a stem response post unless he claimed someone didn't understand.

[_Buffalo]

It just wouldn't be a stem response post unless he claimed someone didn't understand.

The Wade England Watusi

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[_Yoda]

Stem,

I think how you handled that little boy was great! That is just what he needed. He needed to be able to play video games and interract just like any normal boy his age.

Great job!

I have a voice student who has Down's Syndrome. I have given her challenging pieces to work on, and she gave her first full vocal recital in September! We are already preparing for a second one!

[_Mattie]

But, I do not at all condone Mattie’s exploitation of Down Syndrome either. They are each pathetic games played in hostility.

What are you talking about? "Exploitation of Down Syndrome"? Exactly how did I do that?

I'm sorry, but sometimes you really don't make any sense at all. I remember something Elder Oaks once said:

There are disadvantages to official nonparticipation in events where Church doctrines, ordinances, or practices are discussed. In some instances, the overall presentation will be decidedly inaccurate or unfair because the position of the Church and the knowledge of its leaders are not presented. In other instances, a volunteer will step forward to present what he or she considers to be the Church’s position. Sometimes these volunteers are well-informed and capable, and they contribute to a balanced presentation. Sometimes they are not, and their contribution makes matters worse. When attacked by error, truth is better served by silence than by a bad argument.

[_stemelbow]

Mattie,

I don't think you have anything against Down Syndrome or anyone that is Down Syndrome. It was kind of a weird thing you said there. You were trying to, it appears to me, offer up some reality as to the ganging up problem that occurs here. But in doing so you appealed to Down Syndrome, which no one aside from DJ and probably a couple of others, most likely, will mock and deride. It comes off as insensitive, at the very least, to other readers, particularly ones who are hostile to your views. Thus, this thread, and Morely's strong denunciation of your comments. I don't see the need to exploit, or use, another person's situation to denounce the poor behavior here--well not when the other happens to have Down Syndrome. Your story is far worse behavior then the chumps here who gang up on me and tend to whine about me in the process.

[_Mattie]

Mattie,

I don't think you have anything against Down Syndrome or anyone that is Down Syndrome. It was kind of a weird thing you said there. You were trying to, it appears to me, offer up some reality as to the ganging up problem that occurs here. But in doing so you appealed to Down Syndrome, which no one aside from DJ and probably a couple of others, most likely, will mock and deride. It comes off as insensitive, at the very least, to other readers, particularly ones who are hostile to your views. Thus, this thread, and Morely's strong denunciation of your comments. I don't see the need to exploit, or use, another person's situation to denounce the poor behavior here--well not when the other happens to have Down Syndrome. Your story is far worse behavior then the chumps here who gang up on me and tend to whine about me in the process.

I didn't exploit anything. You are the one being exploited. Assuming you're not an anti-Mormon just pretending to be a TBM (I'm still not sure, to tell you the truth) and you're sincerely trying to defend the church by participating here, I have to say that in my opinion your contributions here usually "make matters worse" rather than better. If you're not a sock puppet, then it's too bad that you don't realize how much these people are just exploiting you and making fun of you.

[_stemelbow]

I didn't exploit anything. You are the one being exploited. Assuming you're not an anti-Mormon just pretending to be a TBM (I'm still not sure, to tell you the truth) and you're sincerely trying to defend the church by participating here, I have to say that in my opinion your contributions here usually "make matters worse" rather than better. If you're not a sock puppet, then it's too bad that you don't realize how much these people are just exploiting you and making fun of you.

I see how much they are making fun of me and using me. Its not big deal to me. I'm here for a coupel of reasons but the main one is to learn and understand those who hold a different view from myself. I'm jsut little old me and I discuss issues as I see fit in hopes to learn about others and to understand more about my faith. I don't intend to defend it, per se. It defends itself.

I"m glad you're here. I'm sorry you disagree with me regarding your Down Syndrome example. Wish you the best.