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_jo1952
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Re: I'll probably be banned from Mormondialogue

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Blixa wrote:
jo1952 wrote:... It will take me a while to figure out what's what, and who is who.

Best regards,

jo


It always does whenever you join a new message board. But take your time and ask questions of people. If you want to know what a conversation is about people will be glad to explain or give you a link. Nobody will dismissively say "that's already been discussed!" here, like they do....elsewhere.

good luck!



Good to know! Thanks for the heads up.

jo
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As I recently said to another newcomer, this board has a long history and many of the "regulars" have complicated histories with each other both on and off board. There are several communities here, in fact, and some of them have nothing at all to do with each other.

I've been away from Mormonism most of my life and now I've lived outside of Utah over half my life. A little over a decade ago, some work I was doing in contemporary art/history of photography surprisingly reawakened an interest in western Americana and the history of Utah Mormonism, two things quite far from my usual scholarly occupations. Since my new interest coincided with the birth of "Mormon studies," I've been drawn into reading and research I could have never predicted.

This is one reason why I read and write here. The other is the friendships I've been lucky enough to make.

I wrote about this in a post earlier this year: Of Vomit and Honey: why I post at MDB.

Also, jo, don't be afraid to use the Ignore button!
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Welcome Jo.

I"m assuming you were born in the year of our LORD one thousand nine hundred and fifty two. Oh boy 60 is around the corner. my mom just hit that age this past August.

I've never been hit by the mods over at MD&D> I head over and read from time to time, but my posting is pretty rare. This place lets you say whatever the garbage you want, in the most ornery way you please, and many of us take advantage of that offer quite frequently. Don't be afraid. let it out. I called a poster an idiot here recently. It felt good. He whimpered about it a bit, but hopefully he's over it.
Love ya tons,
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Blixa wrote:As I recently said to another newcomer, this board has a long history and many of the "regulars" have complicated histories with each other both on and off board. There are several communities here, in fact, and some of them have nothing at all to do with each other.

I've been away from Mormonism most of my life and now I've lived outside of Utah over half my life. A little over a decade ago, some work I was doing in contemporary art/history of photography surprisingly reawakened an interest in western Americana and the history of Utah Mormonism, two things quite far from my usual scholarly occupations. Since my new interest coincided with the birth of "Mormon studies," I've been drawn into reading and research I could have never predicted.

This is one reason why I read and write here. The other is the friendships I've been lucky enough to make.

I wrote about this in a post earlier this year: Of Vomit and Honey: why I post at MDB.

Also, jo, don't be afraid to use the Ignore button!


Wow - I just finished reading your link; it was beautiful.

I've been learning to see people differently. All of my life I have loved people - even those who weren't fond of me (and I could never figure out why some just seemed to not like me from the get go). I just seemed to have been born with this inbred thing about loving others, giving others the benefit of the doubt, etc. And I had a very rough childhood - abuse and health issues, which I decided at a very young age I would not allow to change me. Anyway, recently, my trying to love others has changed to a different understanding. It is one I realize now was always there, but I had never made the conscious connection between the words I was saying vs what those words really looked like.

To make a long story less boring, I have reached a stage where I not only continue to try to love others regardless of what they have or have not done in connection with me, I am seeing them as the spirits they truly are. The flesh and bones which house their spirit, are becoming less visible to me. Their words and actions are having less and less of an effect on me as far as the world goes. However, spiritually speaking, I am not only loving them as people, I am seeing their spirit with such compassion and a different level of "loving", it sometimes literally takes my breath away. To speak the words "we are all God's children" used to be only a mantra, even though I felt a genuine connection to others. Now, the level of that connection has sharply changed...I can only describe it as getting glimpses of what becoming "one" is all about.

Everyone has something they can teach us.

by the way, I understand and have seen comments made by PaPa which sometimes appear inappropriate. His poetry tells a different story then some of his words and actions. If I recall correctly, a year or two ago he had some medical issues which may or may not have something to do with how he can be perceived. Of course, to me, none of this remains relevant for long, as I have this tendancy to just love him.

Don't misunderstand me. I am not impervious to slings and arrows...it's just that I seem to recover more quickly and am able to access that other level of loving, without needing to hide and lick my wounds so much anymore. I had a recent experience with someone the other day. While they were screaming and yelling with their finger in my face, their words suddenly became like a white noise. I recognized instead the lifetime of circumstances that had brought them to that moment, and I experienced a glimpse beyond the veil in a way I cannot explain. It was pretty awesome, humbling, exhilarating, joyful, and exhausting....all at the same moment. Ahh, but it was just for a moment. The world still has its grip on my physical being.

Best regards,

jo
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stemelbow wrote:Welcome Jo.

I"m assuming you were born in the year of our LORD one thousand nine hundred and fifty two. Oh boy 60 is around the corner. my mom just hit that age this past August.

I've never been hit by the mods over at MD&D> I head over and read from time to time, but my posting is pretty rare. This place lets you say whatever the garbage you want, in the most ornery way you please, and many of us take advantage of that offer quite frequently. Don't be afraid. let it out. I called a poster an idiot here recently. It felt good. He whimpered about it a bit, but hopefully he's over it.


Hi Stem!

I've seen your name elsewhere....have you ever posted on T-web?? Or, perhaps, gasp, CARM?

Thanks so much for letting me know that I am old enough to be your mother!!! I will store that information to use against you at some later date.

Thank you for the welcome!!

Best regards,

jo
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jo1952 wrote:
thews wrote:
Are you a TBM jo?


Hi Thews!

I prefer TBC, TBF, or TBJ, as I don't think that all TBM's are on the same page like they believe or claim they are.

jo

Hello jo. I like to get a handle on where people stand, so since I don't know the listed acronyms, do you mind clarifying whether or not you believe Joseph Smith was a prophet of God and the doctrine of Joseph Smith is of God?
2 Tim 4:3 For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine.
2 Tim 4:4 They will turn their ears away from the truth & turn aside to myths
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jo1952 wrote:


I am hoping to take advantage of this freedom-to-speak atmosphere. It was getting so you couldn't even have as tame a discussion as you do in an actual Sunday School class!! (unless you were one of their darlings who agreed with the status quo of what the mods believed; and thus also what their darlings would post. You could get away with some pretty rude tactics then, without fear of being moderated; and of which of was often the victim.)

You have a good memory - when I first signed up I was Franktalk's girlfriend. We got married this March 2011.

Who are you? Did you post over there? Under what name??

Regards,

jo



I used to post there under the name Keith_bryan. Strangely, neither of my names in real life are either "Keith" or "Bryan".

A long time ago, I used to post under a name that got banned, but I can't quite remember that name.

I also left because of the restrictive environment, that and my last name got banned and I didn't feel like registering another name.
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jo1952 wrote:Hi Stem!

I've seen your name elsewhere....have you ever posted on T-web?? Or, perhaps, gasp, CARM?

Thanks so much for letting me know that I am old enough to be your mother!!! I will store that information to use against you at some later date.

Thank you for the welcome!!

Best regards,

jo


I've been on CARM over the years. Its been a couple years since I posted there, though.

You're not old enough to be my mom. you're one year too young.
Love ya tons,
Stem


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jo1952 wrote:Wow - I just finished reading your link; it was beautiful.


thanks, jo.

I'm not a believer, but I've recently learned to take religious narratives more seriously. I find it interesting to see how people make sense of religion, especially people who find a way to make Mormonism "work" for them.

Mormon "apologetics," on the other hand, are a horse of different colour! : )
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Blixa wrote: I find it interesting to see how people make sense of religion, especially people who find a way to make Mormonism "work" for them.

Mormon "apologetics," on the other hand, are a horse of different colour! : )


Apologetics in general are horses of different colors. It is not too difficult to have Mormonism work for people who wish to believe. First, we have the 11 witnesses going to their deaths with their testimonies on their lips. Plus we have emma claiming that in no way could Joseph write the book without her knowing. And then, we have the various stances on moral issues that just happened to be right. So, when we put some of these things together, it works for many people.
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