Simon Belmont: This is what "quote mining" means

[_asbestosman]

So you don't think Holland knows the proper use of the English words "anything and everything", as representing that Holland was teaching that Jesus has personally experienced "anything and everything"?

Look, I was just being flippant after seeing so much back-and forth. If I wanted to say something intelligent to be taken seriously, I'm capable. I'm not really fond of everyone trying to prove Simon is wrong while Simon, rather than explaining what he believes is fixated on proving that Darth is wrong. It's so stupid.

I wish everyone would quit trying to show that Simon is wrong, because, well, there's no way he's going to let up trying to show that Darth is wrong. Just let it go and see if he'll explain how he understands the scriptures and the quotes from general authorities. As I mentioned previously in this thread, I knew of a TBM (as far as I can tell) who said that Jesus suffered everything except the pain of childbirth. I wish I could ask her how she understood the scriptures--but I would have to be careful. People who think you're out to prove them wrong will go into defense mode and will not bother explaining what they think (too risky--might be embarrassed by your trap). All they'll do is attack you.

That's why this thread is dumb.

But hope springs eternal, so I'm still here.

[_Kishkumen]

I am glad your hope springs eternal where Simon is concerned, because you'll wait a good long time for him to abandon his apologetic games to express sincere faith.

[_Yoda]

So you don't think Holland knows the proper use of the English words "anything and everything", as representing that Holland was teaching that Jesus has personally experienced "anything and everything"?

Look, I was just being flippant after seeing so much back-and forth. If I wanted to say something intelligent to be taken seriously, I'm capable. I'm not really fond of everyone trying to prove Simon is wrong while Simon, rather than explaining what he believes is fixated on proving that Darth is wrong. It's so stupid.

I wish everyone would quit trying to show that Simon is wrong, because, well, there's no way he's going to let up trying to show that Darth is wrong. Just let it go and see if he'll explain how he understands the scriptures and the quotes from general authorities. As I mentioned previously in this thread, I knew of a TBM (as far as I can tell) who said that Jesus suffered everything except the pain of childbirth. I wish I could ask her how she understood the scriptures--but I would have to be careful. People who think you're out to prove them wrong will go into defense mode and will not bother explaining what they think (too risky--might be embarrassed by your trap). All they'll do is attack you.

That's why this thread is dumb.

But hope springs eternal, so I'm still here.

Amen! Well stated.

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

I wish everyone would quit trying to show that Simon is wrong, because...[/size]

Well, what would have someone do when you have a heretic posting heretical Mormon fantasies?

V/R
Dr. Cam

[_Chap]

I wish everyone would quit trying to show that Simon is wrong, because, well, there's no way he's going to let up trying to show that Darth is wrong.

The thread began by Darth J issuing a challenge to Belmont to back up the latter's repeated assertion that Darth J systematically and frequently misrepresented the teachings of the CoJCoLDS.

Every extra post on this board contributes to the spectacle of Belmont making himself look even more stupid as he tries to find some convoluted way of convicting Darth J of significant representation on any issue, however minor ("Jesus felt our pain - but did he feel it physically? Did he feel the penetration of a trillion penises?"). It's just too entertaining for me to want it to stop. Those who do not enjoy gawking at car wrecks can of course simply look away ...

[_sock puppet]

So you don't think Holland knows the proper use of the English words "anything and everything", as representing that Holland was teaching that Jesus has personally experienced "anything and everything"?

Look, I was just being flippant after seeing so much back-and forth. If I wanted to say something intelligent to be taken seriously, I'm capable. I'm not really fond of everyone trying to prove Simon is wrong while Simon, rather than explaining what he believes is fixated on proving that Darth is wrong. It's so stupid.

I wish everyone would quit trying to show that Simon is wrong, because, well, there's no way he's going to let up trying to show that Darth is wrong. Just let it go and see if he'll explain how he understands the scriptures and the quotes from general authorities. As I mentioned previously in this thread, I knew of a TBM (as far as I can tell) who said that Jesus suffered everything except the pain of childbirth. I wish I could ask her how she understood the scriptures--but I would have to be careful. People who think you're out to prove them wrong will go into defense mode and will not bother explaining what they think (too risky--might be embarrassed by your trap). All they'll do is attack you.

That's why this thread is dumb.

But hope springs eternal, so I'm still here.

Maybe if you gave Simon a tutorial on what quote mining is and what it isn't, and then once in a while got on his ass for claiming Darth J has been quote mining when he hasn't, Simon would stop his ridiculous accusations and there wouldn't be the need for a thread like this to be started. But since your tribalism prevents you from calling out Brother Simon for his constant misuse of the accusation of quote mining, then shut up your whining about a thread like this being started.

[_Dallin H Oaks]

It pains me deeply when anti-Mormons understand our doctrine better than faithful Saints. In this case, though, I'm afraid Darth J is correct. Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ really did experience the physical sensations of being penetrated by trillions of penises. As to whether he grew a temporary vagina in order to accomplish this... That is something we do not know. Regardless, this is quite vulgar, and I'm disappointed that Simon Belmont would try to paint LDS theology in such an absurd light. Nonetheless, as the Brethren quoted on this thread have indicated, the Savior experienced everything. And yes: that includes the grievous sin of masturbation.

[_asbestosman]

Maybe if you gave Simon a tutorial on what quote mining is and what it isn't, and then once in a while got on his ass for claiming Darth J has been quote mining when he hasn't, Simon would stop his ridiculous accusations and there wouldn't be the need for a thread like this to be started. But since your tribalism prevents you from calling out Brother Simon for his constant misuse of the accusation of quote mining, then shut up your whining about a thread like this being started.

I've given Simon explanations about other things before, but nothing comes of it. Besides, Simon probably does see Darth J as misrepresenting the church. I have my suspicions as to why that may be: 1) Simon views those things differently just as the TBM woman I knew of at church. 2) Simon misinterprets what Darth J is trying to say. 3) Simon is just trolling. The reason I give 3 as a possibility is that Simon has ignored all my attempts to make his objections seem more rational. Still, Personally I suspect that it's a combination of all to various degrees.

Does Darth J quote mine? Absolutely. When he does it, it's usually for humorous effect such as his recent Joseph Smith / Brigham Young man love thread. Would that bother Simon? Of course. Is it misrepresenting the church? I guess it depends on 1) whether you recognize it as satire and 2) What you interpret the satire to mean.

[_Simon Belmont]

Gee, I don't know. I guess it must be that he felt the physical sensation, but how that would be possible, the Church does not say.

So our problem lies in the fact that your definition of "physical" leaves out anything mechanical, whereas I take the more standard definition of "physical." Is that what your quibble is about?

Just what exactly was your point with the misrepresentation in question? What were you trying to tell Stemelbow, Darth J.?

Maybe if you gave Simon a tutorial on what quote mining is and what it isn't, and then once in a while got on his ass for claiming Darth J has been quote mining when he hasn't, Simon would stop his ridiculous accusations and there wouldn't be the need for a thread like this to be started. But since your tribalism prevents you from calling out Brother Simon for his constant misuse of the accusation of quote mining, then shut up your whining about a thread like this being started.

Why the anger, Sock Puppet? I don't know of anyone, on either side of the fence, who thinks Asbestosman is or has been unreasonable. Doesn't his opinion hold more weight for you than, say, mine?

The truth is, this thread is dumb. A more accurate term, I've already admitted, for what DJ does is datamining -- searching LDS.org to find seemingly contradictory quotes, sentences, phrases, and articles. It is not limited to quotes.

[_Kishkumen]

A more accurate term, I've already admitted, for what DJ does is datamining -- searching LDS.org to find seemingly contradictory quotes, sentences, phrases, and articles. It is not limited to quotes.

Seemingly contradictory?