stemelbow, - who sometimes can be very rude without observe it - wrote:I"m assuming you were born in the year of our LORD one thousand nine hundred and fifty two. Oh boy 60 is around the corner. my mom just hit that age this past August.
Hi Stem! Thanks so much for letting me know that I am old enough to be your mother!!! I will store that information to use against you at some later date.
Congratulations! You grabbed the epiphany of the stemelbows and the simonbelmonts.
by the way I could use my screen name as lw1945, instead I use my own picture as avatar. It is less jolting.
jo1952 wrote:Basically, I have discovered that most active LDS people do not know what apologetics are all about, and they are happily living the types of life they desire by keeping commandments, using Christ as their example to follow; and they are not that concerned with the details of doctrine. In other words, they are busy living as Christlike as they are able to under whatever their circumcstances are.
Best regards,
jo
jo,
Do you believe that doctrine to be Christ's gospel?
If so, how can 'most active LDS people' be Christlike if they do not concern themselves with the details of doctrine?
If not, are the details of doctrine irrelevant? Irrelevant to what that 'most active LDS people' are then doing?
Do you believe that doctrine to be Christ's gospel?
If so, how can 'most active LDS people' be Christlike if they do not concern themselves with the details of doctrine?
If not, are the details of doctrine irrelevant? Irrelevant to what that 'most active LDS people' are then doing?
I wish to respond to this.
If one follows the first two commandments you lead a Christ like life. To love your God and to love your fellow man. If you do this the rest of it comes naturally.
The doctrines of the church (LDS or any other) are way down the list of priorities.
I love scripture and study it often but I refuse to let any scriptural interpretation interfere with the first two commandments. Like when Peter killed a husband and his wife. I reject that as a lesson we should follow, instead I see it as a lesson we should not follow. Peter was a hot head and Christ never said to him kill my sheep. In fact He made of point of saying just the opposite. Blind acceptance of scripture without a weighing it against the top two commandments is an error.
Jo wrote:When I first got involved in apologetics (and I had no idea how much hate and anger is held by persons between different religions), I thought MD&D would be a safe haven because I naïvely believed that most LDS held to the same interpretations, and that this should be a good webesite for observing good examples of the Mormon culture. But after spending some time there, I came to realize that unless I stayed in the entertainment section, I was going to find just as much in-fighting there between LDS as I found between Orthodox Christianity and LDS on other websites.
Basically, I have discovered that most active LDS people do not know what apologetics are all about, and they are happily living the types of life they desire by keeping commandments, using Christ as their example to follow; and they are not that concerned with the details of doctrine. In other words, they are busy living as Christlike as they are able to under whatever their circumcstances are.
This is what I discovered as well. I expected the folks on MDD to be like the people I knew from my ward. Instead, I found a hostile bunch that were more concerned on who was in their "in" crowd. It is a very snarky group. My eyes were really opened when I became a Mod over there. What I discovered was even more back biting. Many of the established members of that group who thought they were "in" were actually made fun of and simply tolerated.
Also, if you criticize the Church in ANY way, and post on both MDD and Shades' board, it is only a matter of time before you are banned from MDD. MDD regularly bans people for what they say here, on another board.
Franktalk wrote:If one follows the first two commandments you lead a Christ like life. To love your God and to love your fellow man. If you do this the rest of it comes naturally.
The doctrines of the church (LDS or any other) are way down the list of priorities.
I love scripture and study it often but I refuse to let any scriptural interpretation interfere with the first two commandments. Like when Peter killed a husband and his wife. I reject that as a lesson we should follow, instead I see it as a lesson we should not follow. Peter was a hot head and Christ never said to him kill my sheep. In fact He made of point of saying just the opposite. Blind acceptance of scripture without a weighing it against the top two commandments is an error.
If those first two commandments are what's important, and I follow them the best I can, then what do I need a religion for?
Franktalk wrote:I tend to defend faith but not the church. Truth does not need me to defend it. It either has a life of its own or it dies a death. It does not need me to stand on.
Your mental gymnastics are staggering. Without the need to read between the lines, you attempt to defend the truth claims of Joseph Smith, and after failing, resort to claiming truth will prevail, though you can't use truth to defend it.
Franktalk wrote:Scripture with me is very important but I view it differently than most. I think the examples in scripture are widely interpreted and many seek a perfect interpretation. They should instead be spending that time talking to the live God.
Scripture that's completely made up by man is different that scripture that comes from God. If you believe every author who claims to be inspired by God, and use their "scripture" to find wisdom, that's up to you, but the truth claims of Joseph Smith are demonstrably false, which is why you can't defend his truth claims with fact.
2 Tim 4:3 For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. 2 Tim 4:4 They will turn their ears away from the truth & turn aside to myths