What's so difficult to understand about Mormonism?

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Re: What's so difficult to understand about Mormonism?

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Well Sock, you and I had a very similar experience. According to my TBM Mother and BCSpace, we have now been given over to the buffetings of Satan and that changes everything.
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Re: What's so difficult to understand about Mormonism?

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"You never understood your religion."

Translation:

"You never completed the mental gymnastics steeple chase I completed in order to ameliorate the standard dissonance over all the obvious issues the church has. Brainwashing is not a perfect practice, and some members fall through the cracks."
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Re: What's so difficult to understand about Mormonism?

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Everyone knows that when you lose the Spirit, you lose all your knowledge and understanding of LDS doctrine, practices, scriptures, and history.
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Re: What's so difficult to understand about Mormonism?

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sock puppet wrote:When I stopped believing, did God force another veil of forgetfulness over my mind, distorting my memory and understanding of Mormon teachings--and doing it in the same way with each and every other apostate that posts here at MDB?


Actually, God didn't.... Satan did.
Remember, Satan is the great deceiver, the "perverter" of truth and right. He uses a little truth to tell great lies. He is now your God. God is no longer your God, the doctrines of men and the evil one are now your God.
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Re: What's so difficult to understand about Mormonism?

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Buffalo wrote:The reason Mormon defenders so often trot out the "you don't understand Mormonism" trope is that they're unfamiliar with the topic being discussed, assume it's all anti-Mormon lies, and therefore conclude that "you don't understand Mormonism."


That is simply a LIE..... I actually know it is because first I know every anti-mormon claim better than the back of my hand, and I also know the full and actual truth of the issue, and thus know for a FACT it's a lie.

NONE of us are "assuming" anything. And those that might assume some do so based on experience already with certain issues.

Second, I know your statement is false because I'm actually someone who left the Church and became anti-mormon.
I actually know unequivocally how anti-mormonism lies about every issue.
I'm also a convert to the Church, thus I actually have perspective and objectivity, thus cannot be placed in any box.
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Re: What's so difficult to understand about Mormonism?

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ldsfaqs wrote:
Buffalo wrote:The reason Mormon defenders so often trot out the "you don't understand Mormonism" trope is that they're unfamiliar with the topic being discussed, assume it's all anti-Mormon lies, and therefore conclude that "you don't understand Mormonism."


That is simply a LIE..... I actually know it is because first I know every anti-mormon claim better than the back of my hand, and I also know the full and actual truth of the issue, and thus know for a FACT it's a lie.

NONE of us are "assuming" anything. And those that might assume some do so based on experience already with certain issues.

Second, I know your statement is false because I'm actually someone who left the Church and became anti-mormon.
I actually know unequivocally how anti-mormonism lies about every issue.
I'm also a convert to the Church, thus I actually have perspective and objectivity, thus cannot be placed in any box.


That's interesting. How about you give us some examples of three anti-mormon lies about .... let's say the Book of Abraham? We need actual factually untrue statements here, made with the intention to deceive by people who know they are untrue, not just things you dislike, of course.

[Edited to add italicized portion in accordance with Brade's sensible proposal below]
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Re: What's so difficult to understand about Mormonism?

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Don't forget that in demonstrating that something a Church critic has said is a lie, ldsfaq needs to demonstrate more than that they said something false - ldsfaq needs demonstrate that they know that what they said is false. I await his response.
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Re: What's so difficult to understand about Mormonism?

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Perhaps it's driven by fear.

You have to not understand Mormonism because you don't agree with them. Therefore you have to be wrong. If you are not wrong then...does not compute... Does not compute.... Fizz.... Pop.... bang....
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Re: What's so difficult to understand about Mormonism?

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I agree with the OP whole heartedly.

I suppose my:

BIC
Raised devoutly
Weekly Family Home Evenings
Twice daily Family Prayers, on our knees, in a circle holding hands
Early morning scripture study with parents
Praying over every meal
Watching every General Conference
4 years of Seminary with perfect attendance my Senior year in HS
Serving an honorable mission to Peru
Reading and studying the Book of Mormon (read it cover to cover no less than 5 times)
Reading and studying the Bible (cover to cover three times)
Youth conferences
Firesides
Eagle Scout (it's tied very closely to Moromism's pioneer heritiage)
Being related to the 1st Mormon settlers in Utah
Studied our family's genealogy w/dearly departed mom
Attended faithly our Young Adult Ward
Married in the Bellvue temple
Attended the temple hundreds of times before and after the mission
Baptisms for the dead; vicarious work for the dead
Attended services, held callings
Paid tithing on gross
Paid fast offerings
Read all 26 volumes of the JoD
Read the D&C, and PoGP multiple times
Read faith promoting literature ad nauseum
Had subscriptions to Deseret News, The Friend, New Era, and the Ensign; read 'em all w/family
Read faith promoting fiction literature ad nauseum
Church music in the house to keep the Spirit strong
Evangelized by sharing BoMs with co-workers, talking about my faith
Home Teaching/Visiting Teaching
Even attempted to defend Mo'ism on the Internet back when the Internet was young

All of this adds up to me completely, and utterly misunderstanding Mormonism according to Mopologists.

Ok.

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Re: What's so difficult to understand about Mormonism?

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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:I agree with the OP whole heartedly.

I suppose my:

BIC

[...a pack of lies about your fake past in the Church ...]

Even attempted to defend Mo'ism on the Internet back when the Internet was young

All of this adds up to me completely, and utterly misunderstanding Mormonism according to Mopologists.

Ok.

V/R
DR. Cam


You are a prime example of an anti-mormon liar. Either you were lying to others or yourself when you did all those things - or rather pretended to do them - or you are lying now when you say you did them.

Its as simple as that!

by the way, you are probably addicted to porn.
Zadok:
I did not have a faith crisis. I discovered that the Church was having a truth crisis.
Maksutov:
That's the problem with this supernatural stuff, it doesn't really solve anything. It's a placeholder for ignorance.
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