Runtu wrote:Obviously, we belong to different LDS churches. I recall reading that the church counseled members not to use therapists who think guilt is a problem. Yikes.
I apologize if I offend you Runtu, but I feel like we aren't even talking to each other so much as you talking at me. Why are you saying the Church emphasizes guilt and feel justified for thinking that because you recall reading that the Church counseled members not to use therapists who think guilt is a problem? For one thing, any member who receives such counsel doesn't necessarily read into that that the Church emphasizes guilt, I"m thinking. And for another, most members do not even hear any sort of counsel about therapists at all. This doesn’t even make sense in light of the context—thus, you talking at me rather than discussing.
His comments reference a 1998 study of religion and sexuality, which discusses porn use among other things.
Then its something different from what I was thinking. And its fine. That’s a rather minor point. I just wish to question his claims.
That's just bizarre, stem. Peer pressure from total strangers at a lecture? Really?
How are they total strangers? Who knows if the guy who doesn’t masturbate is sitting with his girl friends who say they do? I’m just saying if this guy wishes to say the 10% who didn’t raise their hands are lying why can’t others do the same?
Either way, the stuff I quoted was not from his study. I thought it illustrated his point in an obvious way. If you asked your elders quorum if they masturbated or looked at porn, would anyone raise their hand?
Are you saying the guys in my elder’s quorum masturbate or look at porn? How do you know?
Which explains why the study quantified intensity of guilt. That's what science does. What's normal? Dunno. But we know that Mormons in the study had much higher levels of guilt, which again is fascinating and makes sense to me.
I think it makes sense too, thus my comments that you seem to talk around for some reason. Oh well.
As I learned when I lived in the South, Mormons don't have higher standards than many Evangelical religions, who were also represented in the study. Oddly enough, conservative Evangelicals reported less guilt than Mormons. It's not the standards that are the difference.
I don’t know if I can accept your anecdotal data as statistically valid either, Runtu, particularly in light of the claims that the religious put on a show when it comes to claims of being free of masturbation and porn. But I appreciate it. You lived in texas, right? My moms grew up in the real south, Georgia.