The Bikini: Gentlemen, get out your tools.

[Guest]

I designed the title to catch your attention. Perhaps another legitimate matter for discussion here.

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What did you think of the video?

[_bcspace]

So, now that you've had a chance to reflect further on the potential hypocrisy of your position,

I knew it from the get go.

do you now feel the need to advocate with equal zeal that men should never take off their shirts in public, given the burden it could cause to women

Strangely no.

and gay men?

I think they should solve their original problem before worrying about that. But perhaps it could be effective treatment for their disorder/aberration.

[_bcspace]

What did you think of the video?

I've seen it before. It's exactly what I thought of when I saw my own thread title.

[_just me]

What "hook" do you think you have women on, exactly?

This is a very strange thread, indeed.

[_Buffalo]

bcspace, what do you think about the Eve in the endowment video? They show almost as much skin on her as you'd get from a woman in a bikini.

[_bcspace]

What "hook" do you think you have women on, exactly?

If they lust after a man, I believe they are under the same condemnation men are, when they lust after a woman.

This is a very strange thread, indeed.

It is. But that is the nature of this board perhaps.

[_Buffalo]

I think they should solve their original problem before worrying about that. But perhaps it could be effective treatment for their disorder/aberration.

Like Joseph and Brigham of old, modern gay men are great just as God made them. :)

[_bcspace]

They show almost as much skin on her as you'd get from a woman in a bikini.

I don't think so. Certainly not enough to give me errant thoughts.

Like Joseph and Brigham of old, modern gay men are great just as God made them. :)

Only in the mind of Quinn.

[Guest]

I knew [the potential hypocrisy of my position] from the get go.

do you now feel the need to advocate with equal zeal that men should never take off their shirts in public, given the burden it could cause to women

Strangely no.

Why not? Again: why make it more difficult for women and why send the wrong signals about yourselves?

Why would you advocate a "avoid bikinis" standard for women (to make the lives of men easier), but feel no need to advocate a "avoid complete uncoveredness" for men (to make the lives of women easier)...?

Especially given your position that:

If [women] lust after a man, I believe they are under the same condemnation men are, when they lust after a woman.

As for your other comment:

and gay men?

I think they should solve their original problem before worrying about that. But perhaps it could be effective treatment for their disorder/aberration.

I'm not sure what you mean, here. What is gay men's "original problem" that they "should solve" before "worrying about" being exposed to topless men?

And how do you propose that gay men "solve" this "original problem" that you're referring to?

Daniel2

[_just me]

Women are not responsible for men's thoughts or sexual urges.

Men should not feel ashamed or guilty for having sexual thoughts or urges.

Women should not feel ashamed of their bodies.