The Joseph Smith Egyptian Papyri: A Complete Edition

[_Themis]

If Rhodes had the gold plates of Mormon. What would his translation look like? Would it look anything like the Book of Mormon translated by Smith?

They would be clearly made up in the 19th century to experts today. One of the biggest red flags is Joseph being commanded not to show them to anyone but a special few believers under controlled conditions and only once. This just screams fraud.

[_Shulem]

The fact that the Egyptians often changed history and meanings to promote their gods and avoid embarrassment of the ruling elite (such as Abraham and Jehovah's victory over their priest) demonstrates that it is fraudulent to use that kind of reasoning to show the LDS Church is a fraud.

There is no king's name written in the writing of Facsimile No. 3 as Joe Smith the pretended Egyptian translator claimed. The name Shulem is not contained in the writing either. Joseph Smith made the name up out of thin air. The idea that there is a king's name written therein and that Anubis (god of Egypt) is a slave is a lie created by Joe Smith. You cannot change that fact. All you can do is deny it, bc -- and that makes you a liar too, just like Joe. When are you going to wake up and put the horse in front of the cart? The horse is true Egyptology and the cart is Book of Abraham fraud. Does the cart draw the horse? According to your logic it does.

You only defend the Book of Abraham fraud simply because you believe the church to be true at all cost. The cult has control of your mind -- and you have no control, unable to make the choice to believe truth based on logic and reason. You're a puppet with strings. If this were not so you could tell me the name of the king and justify how a god is shown to be a slave in sacred Egyptian religious text.

The Explanations provided by Joe Smith are utterly false and he knew it. And look what he has to show for it, YOU! Joe Smith deserves you and you deserve him. You are a dishonest man, bc.

Paul O

[_Runtu]

I wonder if Bcspace can back up this insane reasoning. He did say it was a fact. I call CFR that they changed history and meanings to promote their Gods and avoid embarrassment over Abraham who we have so little evidence that he actually existed. I also notice he never gives any detail for this line of thinking.

I'd like to see some evidence for this, too.

[_Shulem]

How do we know that it's a fact that the Egyptians changed history and meanings to promote their gods and avoid the embarrassment of Abraham and Jehovah's victory over their priests?

The Egyptians did not change history and meanings for the fear of Jehovah. Hell, they didn't even bother to mention Moses. Bcspace is making a vain effort to defend the Book of Abraham by imposing the What If Theory. That is what Book of Abraham apologists have to do because all the evidence is stacked against them. And I mean ALL the evidence.

Book of Abraham Apologists are constantly having to say, "But what if", over and over again inspite of all the facts. But the real what if they should be asking is, "What if the church really isn't true"? Then they could put the Book of Abraham down and walk away in peace instead of living a lie.

Paul O

[_Shulem]

I wonder if Bcspace can back up this insane reasoning. He did say it was a fact. I call CFR that they changed history and meanings to promote their Gods and avoid embarrassment over Abraham who we have so little evidence that he actually existed. I also notice he never gives any detail for this line of thinking.

The Facsimile No. 3 is a genuine Egyptian religious document and has not been tampered by Jehovah's ill will to defeat the gods of Egypt. Anubis is not a slave. The artist who created the original vignette was a pious Egyptian and the writing thereon is in accordance with standard Egyptian religious practice. There is nothing bcspace can say to change that. It is what it is, period.

The funerary document was offered up to the gods of Egypt according to the Egyptian religion and the tomb was not defiled by priests of Jehovah as bcspace could only imagine. Such an offence against the Egyptian religion is completely unheard of. Bcspace is simply being imaginative just as Joe Smith was.

But what if . . . .

There are no what ifs, bcspace! There is no king's name written therein, either. Prove me wrong if you can. But you can't. And you know why? Because your church is not true.

Paul O

[_Bret Ripley]

How do we know that it's a fact that the Egyptians changed history ... to promote their gods and avoid ... embarrassment ...

Easy-peasy -- "He is a traitor to the Pharaoh. Let the name of Moses be stricken from every book and tablet, stricken from all pylons and obelisks, stricken from every monument of Egypt. Let the name of Moses be unheard and unspoken, erased from the memory of men for all time."

Yul Brenner said it, I believe it, that settles it.

[_Themis]

The Facsimile No. 3 is a genuine Egyptian religious document and has not been tampered by Jehovah's ill will to defeat the gods of Egypt. Anubis is not a slave. The artist who created the original vignette was a pious Egyptian and the writing thereon is in accordance with standard Egyptian religious practice. There is nothing bcspace can say to change that. It is what it is, period.

The funerary document was offered up to the gods of Egypt according to the Egyptian religion and the tomb was not defiled by priests of Jehovah as bcspace could only imagine. Such an offence against the Egyptian religion is completely unheard of. Bcspace is simply being imaginative just as Joe Smith was.

But what if . . . .

There are no what ifs, bcspace! There is no king's name written therein, either. Prove me wrong if you can. But you can't. And you know why? Because your church is not true.

Paul O

I know Bcspace likes to play the what if game or what I call the possibility game, and has no idea what he is talking about. This is why you will not see him back up his assertion that it is a fact. He is just trolling for a bit and then runs away to another thread.

[_Shulem]

Easy-peasy -- "He is a traitor to the Pharaoh. Let the name of Moses be stricken from every book and tablet, stricken from all pylons and obelisks, stricken from every monument of Egypt. Let the name of Moses be unheard and unspoken, erased from the memory of men for all time."

Yul Brenner said it, I believe it, that settles it.

Yul never said any thing of the like. You're dreaming of sugar plumbs in Hollywood.

Mormon apologists are always having to dream up things to talk themselves into it. Defending Mormonism is pretty dreamy stuff. Close your eyes and go to sleep.

Paul O

[_Shulem]

I know Bcspace likes to play the what if game or what I call the possibility game, and has no idea what he is talking about. This is why you will not see him back up his assertion that it is a fact. He is just trolling for a bit and then runs away to another thread.

At least on this forum we can rightly rebuke Joseph Smith for his lies and brazen attempts to deceive his own people with his pretended abilities. Joseph Smith was truly one of the great liars of all time. He said there was a king's name in the writing and he knew that he really had no such knowledge of the language. He was playing with the minds of the saints and all along was housed, fed, and taken care of for his priestcraft trickery.

Bcspace knows there is no king's name in the writing. He knows the Explanation is false. If that weren't so he'd say otherwise. He's quite outspoken and tends to be quiet when he knows he has a losing hand. The Explanations have been proven false scientifically beyond a shadow of a doubt. I feel so sorry for the guy. His testimony remains on life support -- he's barely breathing. The man just can't seems to accept science. He's living in the Dark Ages.

Paul O

[_Wisdom Seeker]

How many other Pharaoh's tombs have written descriptions of the miraculous visit of Abraham to Egypt?