Leftism and the Gospel: How Wide the Divide?

[_Droopy]

We have a rogue medical malpractice industry, but we also have the best medical care in the world.

I see no logical inconsistency here, Johnnie. You see, I'll stay with philosophical analysis and critical thought, and you can stay with your transplanted courtroom sophistry. That's fine with me. The last time I checked, John Edwards wasn't delivering babies, but suing into oblivion (on pure junk science grounds) those who were.

Not to say that your talking points about being wildly in love with a free market economy, but abhorring the notion that a business that is proven to have injured someone else should have to compensate for it, are not also incoherent.

I don't believe that, Johnnie. Don't lie to my face, Johnnie, about things I don't believe and have never claimed. It makes even you look bad.

[_Droopy]

What does this have to do with the question of socialism and the UO?

Again, Droopy, if you want to be spoon fed, go to church.

Answer the question, as the relevance you appear to see is quite opaque.

[_Themis]

I think a little " speaking truth to power" is in order here:

http://www.cato.org/pubs/catosletter/ca ... erv3n1.pdf

http://www.heritage.org/research/lectur ... ealth-care

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142 ... 45070.html

I have read most of the first and found some things obviously false. I notice that it brings up breast cancer has better survival rates in the US then Britain. Hmm interesting that they don't look at overall death rates of cancer top see that UK has a lower rate. This is the problem when one uses sources that have an obvious agenda from the beginning and will only show evidence that supports their agenda and avoid those that do not, but then we are used to that with fair and Farms. Now this is not to say that other systems are perfect, or that they will be better in every category.

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/hea_dea_fro_can-health-death-from-cancer

Now things like cancer are not the best comparisons since other factors actually make developed countries have a higher rate then the developing world, although eating habits tend to be a significant factor.

[_Droopy]

Smith was troubled because of the number of members joining the church in poverty in Kirtland, Ohio. Revenue was needed for the church to publish books and tracts. At this time, Smith and Rigdon were both in economic distress. Smith and his wife Emma lived on the Morley farm for a period of time.

On February 4, 1831, Smith said he had received a revelation calling Edward Partridge to be the first bishop of the church. Five days later, on February 9. 1831, Smith described a second revelation detailing the Law of Consecration.

Yes, just loaded with Marx, Saint Simon, and Proudhon. I do detect a veiled tautological argument here, but no matter, as lawyers win arguments with brazen logical fallacies all the time (and emotional theatrics).

[_Morley]

I think a little " speaking truth to power" is in order here:

http://www.cato.org/pubs/catosletter/ca ... erv3n1.pdf

http://www.heritage.org/research/lectur ... ealth-care

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142 ... 45070.html

So, we have a six-year-old polemic from the Cato Institute, a ten-year-old panel discussion from the Heritage Foundation, and a Wall Street Journal editorial from 2009. I couldn't be more impressed if you'd linked quotes from Sean Hannity, himself.

[_Darth J]

We have a rogue medical malpractice industry, but we also have the best medical care in the world.

I see no logical inconsistency here, Johnnie.

Neither do I. Thank you for conceding the point.

You see, I'll stay with philosophical analysis and critical thought, and you can stay with your transplanted courtroom sophistry.

Apparently, Droopy thinks that court consists of applying the Socratic method to message board posts.

Maybe he thinks that when people get sick, they should have magic cooking oil rubbed on their heads.

Oh, wait.......

That's fine with me. The last time I checked, John Edwards wasn't delivering babies, but suing into oblivion (on pure junk science grounds) those who were.

I'm glad you feel that John Edwards is representative of both lawyers and the legal system.

Myself, I find that Warren Jeffs is typical of Mormonism.

Not to say that your talking points about being wildly in love with a free market economy, but abhorring the notion that a business that is proven to have injured someone else should have to compensate for it, are not also incoherent.

I don't believe that, Johnnie. Don't lie to my face, Johnnie, about things I don't believe and have never claimed. It makes even you look bad.

I was just kidding, Ron Lafferty. I can tell by your regurgitating the talking points of crony capitalism that you don't really believe in a free market economy, Ron Lafferty.

As long as you are calling me Johnnie Cochran, I'm sure you won't mind if I call you "Ron Lafferty" from now on. You are all about scholarly debate and intellectual high-brow, after all.

[_Darth J]

Answer the question, as the relevance you appear to see is quite opaque.

Yes, just loaded with Marx, Saint Simon, and Proudhon. I do detect a veiled tautological argument here, but no matter, as lawyers win arguments with brazen logical fallacies all the time (and emotional theatrics).

It's funnier if you keep not figuring it out on your own, Ron Lafferty.

[_Darth J]

Oh, look. We have been moved down to Terrestrial.

Another tribute to Ron Lafferty's inevitable reliance on ad hominem.

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

I still fail to see how Jesus and Socialism are incompatible according to Jesus. I suppose I have to conclude that Mr. Droopy is the Adversary's minion?

- VRDRC

[_Droopy]

I think a little " speaking truth to power" is in order here:

http://www.cato.org/pubs/catosletter/ca ... erv3n1.pdf

http://www.heritage.org/research/lectur ... ealth-care

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142 ... 45070.html

I have read most of the first and found some things obviously false.

Such as, and upon what basis?

I notice that it brings up breast cancer has better survival rates in the US then Britain. Hmm interesting that they don't look at overall death rates of cancer top see that UK has a lower rate.

It does?

http://www.hoover.org/publications/defi ... icle/58971

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healt ... world.html

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/ ... urope.html

http://www.civitas.org.uk/pdf/cw55.pdf

This is the problem when one uses sources that have an obvious agenda from the beginning and will only show evidence that supports their agenda and avoid those that do not,

You're bluffing, Themis, and it appears you haven't done much homework on the issue thus far.