Quasimodo wrote:A tough call for the Church, though. It means admitting that some of the Prophets were wrong. A shaking of the very foundations of Mormon theology.
Maybe they decided that not addressing it was the best course.
Good luck deciphering it all:
FAIR Topical Guide. Eugene England called it "The Mormon Cross". And Mauss felt an apology (or "repudiation") was warranted:
But Armand L. Mauss, a sociologist from Pullman, Wash., who is president of the Mormon History Association, said in an interview that he has talked with dozens of black Mormons who believe that some Mormon leaders and laity still view blacks as inferior.
Mauss said that some of the teachings did not originate with Mormons but with the Protestant groups from which Mormons converted. "Every major Protestant denomination in history has taught that blacks are descendants of Cain and Ham," he said.
Yet teachings that "died a natural death" over time among Baptists, Methodists, Presbyterians and others, he said, have lingered in Mormonism as indicated by books published as recently as 10 years ago.
"The only way to neutralize what's out there is a public repudiation" of earlier doctrines, said Mauss, who is white.
Willy Law wrote:Poked around a little but cannot find any instances of the church stating that blacks were not allowed to pray in church or SM.
I am not suprised. I have never heard of a ban on African people praying in church. All of my Mormon experience is prior to the 1978 adjustment. I donot remember the issue being discussed. Then I never ever ever ever ever ever ever ever saw a human with dark skin in a Mormon church so the question would not have been a pressing issue.
Now before someone says I am exaggurating, I admit to haveing heard there were black members of the church. A family in Salt Lake, there probably were some others. I did not live in Utah so never actually saw that family.
Willy Law wrote:I have heard experience after experience from missionaries serving pre 78 that they were instructed not to tell blacks about the priesthood ban before baptism.
Oh.my.GOD.
I have also heard experiences from missionaries that their MP's instructed them not to teach black people.
Oh.my.GOD. (but lucky them, they dodged a bullet)
What's somewhat common now is missionaries being instructed not to teach single women. The church wants priesthood holders who can hold leadership roles.
On my mission you weren't BANNED from teaching women, but they did say focus more on men.
Parley P. Pratt wrote:We must lie to support brother Joseph, it is our duty to do so.
Quasimodo wrote:I'm a little stunned that there were any black people in the church before 1978. What were they thinking? Talk about low self esteem. "We're happy to have you here with us in God's true church. Now, sit in the back and don't say anything."
If you keep believing what you see posted here, you're going to end up with a distorted and unbalanced view, and lots of generalisations.
ldsfaqs wrote:There was no "treatment" against "blacks".....
It was simply a policy that those of African decent were not allowed to have the priesthood. Further, plenty of "blacks" WERE given the Priesthood, those who were not primarily of African lineage, Central/South America, Islands, India, etc. Once lineage was determined, the Priesthood was given.
The ban had nothing to do with racism by Mormonism itself. If it had anything to do with racism it was because of the racism that existed in the world itself toward the black African.
Anyway, I don't expect all you ignorant anti-Mormons to understand. You prefer your drive-by truth judgments rather than really understanding God's truths, history, etc. I know because I was you briefly. Willingly stupid to believe the lie that the Church must have been racist. Judging it according to modern social convention and the prejudices of youth, rather than actual truth and fact.
The core reason for the ban is that Brigham didn't want a black dude sleeping with all his white women.
Parley P. Pratt wrote:We must lie to support brother Joseph, it is our duty to do so.
"We have taken up arms in defense of our liberty, our property, our wives, and our children; we are determined to preserve them, or die." - Captain Moroni - 'Address to the Inhabitants of Canada' 1775
Willy Law wrote: Nothing? OK, how about "a few" positive things Brigham Young has said about blacks?
Didn't he say "darkies are wonderful people"? Oh, wait, that was Joseph Fielding Smith.
Didn't he say he would allow every black man to drive a Cadillac if he could afford it? Oh wait, that was Mark E. Petersen.
Didn't he say black people had big dicks? Oh wait, that was Eddie Murphy.
"We have taken up arms in defense of our liberty, our property, our wives, and our children; we are determined to preserve them, or die." - Captain Moroni - 'Address to the Inhabitants of Canada' 1775
And if any man mingle his seed with the seed of Cain, the only way he could get rid of it or have salvation would be to come forward and have his head cut off and spill his blood upon the ground. It would also take the life of his children
I didn't know Blood atonement was tied into the seed of Cain issue.
There is not one of the seed of old Cain that is permitted to rule and reign over the seed of Abel and you nor I cannot help it. Those that do bear rule should do it in righteousness. I am opposed to the present system of slavery. The Negro should serve the seed of Abram, but it should be done right
It also appears that Slavery is okay if it is done "right".
I am still trying to find a positive quote from him.
"Any over-ritualized religion since the dawn of time can make its priests say yes, we know, it is rotten, and hard luck, but just do as we say, keep at the ritual, stick it out, give us your money and you'll end up with the angels in heaven for evermore."
Buffalo wrote:What's somewhat common now is missionaries being instructed not to teach single women. The church wants priesthood holders who can hold leadership roles.
On my mission you weren't BANNED from teaching women, but they did say focus more on men.
Are you trying to get me to pull all my hair out right now? Is that your goal? Doesn't the husband also have to give permission for a wife to get baptized or has that changed?
But, hey, it's a good thing that the church isn't racist or sexist! Glory to god!
~Those who benefit from the status quo always attribute inequities to the choices of the underdog.~Ann Crittenden ~The Goddess is not separate from the world-She is the world and all things in it.~
