ldsfaqs wrote:Joseph and Brigham were "Homosexual lovers"......?
haa haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
Proof positive that anything you say is entirely questionable. haaaaaaahhhahhaahah
I don't expect all you ignorant pro-Mormons to understand. You prefer your drive-by truth judgments rather than really understanding facts, history, etc. I know because I was you briefly. Willingly stupid to believe the lie that Joseph Smith and Brigham Young must have been exclusively hetersosexual. Judging it according to modern Mormon convention and the prejudices of youth, rather than actual truth and fact.
Pro-Mormons who don't want to know the TRUTH and just remain Ignorant are IDIOTS, just like conservatives are IDIOTS for their immoral policies. I have learned for myself and I know the real history and what the "evidences" are even if I can't explain it to you or show it to you because I can't cherry-pick pro-Mormon quotes. I am not un-truthful and if you want to know the TRUTH about Joseph and Brigham's sexual trysts instead of the LIES by IDIOTS who are NEGATIVE and love the Church because of their idiotness and their religious racism then you should study and find out the TRUTH.
ldsfaqs wrote:For those who don't know who I am yet, I'm leeuniverse....
Thank you! This shall certainly put an end to the vain blusterings of those who claimed you were Obiwan in disguise!
He is also Obiwan.
Obiwan wrote: The negro being a fence sitter was a "couple" of peoples attempts (failed attempts by the way) of sharing their own personal views of "why" the Priesthood ban existed.
This idea was never a teaching of the Church. Official pronouncements on the issue NEVER included the "fence sitter" idea as likely reasons for the ban.
For those of you posting the "First Presidency" statements supposedly debunking my statement, couple of problems.
1. Not a single statement from the Church actually states that blacks were "not valiant". That was the claim, and that is the truth. I'm well aware that some in the Church had that view, but some of them even clearly made known in your quotes that it was THEIR OPINION. All the Official Statement says is that the pre-mortal life has "something" to do with the ban. They didn't say what, why or how.
2. haa haa.... I once left the Church primarily for this issue, and Polygamy, do you people REALLY think you are telling and showing me anything I haven't seen before? Please.... spare me your arrogance and judgmentalism that I'm already well familiar with.
I've seen and learned things NONE of you have seen and learned. I know the actual whole truth, you do not. You pre-judge the Church. Big mistake.
Obiwan wrote: Perfect example of how liberals think like children, while conservatives think deeper on issues, understanding the actual consequences of things, and seeing the interrelationship of things how one thing effects another. Liberals simply don't think this far on most issues, thus their judgments are flawed, are false.
ldsfaqs wrote: As I've always known and seen, both liberals themselves and their ideology has always been a lower intellectual and moral class, contrary to their claims that they are the actual intellectually and morally superior.
Obiwan wrote: Nope, and the reason is according to your very last statement. But more importantly I said that it was "anti-Mormons" that lose their understanding, I didn't say ex-Mormons, and if I did, don't recall at the moment, it would be in relation to "most ex-Mormons", ones that are anti-mormon, not every ex-mormon. But, let me explain further below. I was once a "basic" believing Mormon, just like all ex-Mormons, and just like all ex anti-Mormons I started having certain negative judgments about Mormon things, like said anti-Mormons having gained a little more knowledge. My issues were in relation to the Priesthood ban and women, and Polygamy. As I learned "more" about those things, just like you all, I couldn't understand how a "true" Church from God could practice and do those things.
But, like you all, I didn't actually understand the FULL TRUTH as to those issues. I pre-judged the Church when I shouldn't have. The difference between me now, and someone who has left the Church, is that I have an additional experience and perspective that the anti-mormon does not.
ldsfaqs wrote: That is simply a LIE..... I actually know it is because first I know every anti-mormon claim better than the back of my hand, and I also know the full and actual truth of the issue, and thus know for a FACT it's a lie.
NONE of us are "assuming" anything. And those that might assume some do so based on experience already with certain issues.
Second, I know your statement is false because I'm actually someone who left the Church and became anti-mormon. I actually know unequivocally how anti-mormonism lies about every issue. I'm also a convert to the Church, thus I actually have perspective and objectivity, thus cannot be placed in any box.
I was actually going to respond to Blixa, telling him/her that I actually was Obiwan to be "fair" to the little critics.
by the way.... Cute Darth J your mimicking.... However, with a big difference, my comments and judgments of individuals and facts of history are actually truthful.
"Socialism is Rape and Capitalism is consensual sex" - Ben Shapiro
A few years ago, there was a lot of controversy about big cities buying one-way tickets for homeless people to other cities. The idea was to get rid of the homeless and let them be someone else's problem.
I can't remember why I was thinking of that.
So,Ldsfaqs: you say that MD&D banned you recently?
leeuniverse was one of the dumbest apologists on the old FAIR board. He was a whiney little baby. It literally hurt my ears to listen to him whine. His apologetics are like dirty diapers tucked up in a pastic bag in a hot garage. Would you want to open that?
Now, what does lee-boy have to say about Facsimile No. 3? Come on lee-boy -- defend your prophet!
