I learned where I am going today

[_just me]

Today at church we talked about The Judgement (yes, capital letters, folks). This was the Relief Society/P lesson.

So, basically, "ex-mormons" are going to outer-darkness.

But, I was a wee bit confused. It could be that I am actually going to the Telestial Kingdom because I haven't actually denied anything I've felt before...I just interpret it differently than the LDS church would have me interpret my expereinces.

Ex-Mormon's are going to outer-darkness because they deny what they felt as members. They just can't leave the church alone!

That is what I learned. Oh, and that pretty much you have to be perfect to go to the CK.

[_Darth J]

That is quite terrifying. I think everyone who doesn't believe in the Church anymore should reconsider, for fear of a final judgment they no longer believe in, either.

[_sock puppet]

That is quite terrifying. I think everyone who doesn't believe in the Church anymore should reconsider, for fear of a final judgment they no longer believe in, either.

Fear--the final Mormon frontier.

[_just me]

That is quite terrifying. I think everyone who doesn't believe in the Church anymore should reconsider, for fear of a final judgment they no longer believe in, either.

It certainly would help those in the room stay in line, yeah? They wouldn't wanna go to OD and live with The Evil One.

[_Blixa]

Today at church we talked about The Judgement (yes, capital letters, folks). This was the Relief Society/P lesson.

So, basically, "ex-Mormons" are going to outer-darkness.

But, I was a wee bit confused. It could be that I am actually going to the Telestial Kingdom because I haven't actually denied anything I've felt before...I just interpret it differently than the LDS church would have me interpret my expereinces.

Ex-Mormon's are going to outer-darkness because they deny what they felt as members. They just can't leave the church alone!

That is what I learned. Oh, and that pretty much you have to be perfect to go to the CK.

Wow. That is quite a different interpretation of Outer Darkness than I've ever heard before. In everything I've read, and in all the times this was discussed when I was at church, the realm of Outer Darkness was associated with a very specific and drastic sin, that of denying the Holy Ghost.

Furthermore, it was always stressed that this was something completely different from leaving the church or losing your testimony or anything else. In other words it was not about just "denying" what you felt as a member, but an extreme kind of "denial" premised on a spiritual encounter beyond the experience of most people. Denying the Holy Ghost was not just something one could do by accident or omission, or by simply saying "I deny the holy ghost" or "the church isn't true." That was why the number of souls cast into Outer Darkness would be so few (the phrase I associate with the lessons I heard at church was "they can be counted on the fingers of one hand.")

I think your Relief Society teacher overstepped herself and taught a concept that is not actually a part of Mormon belief.

But maybe I'm wrong and Outer Darkness has recently been re-zoned.

[_LDSToronto]

Today at church we talked about The Judgement (yes, capital letters, folks). This was the Relief Society/P lesson.

So, basically, "ex-Mormons" are going to outer-darkness.

But, I was a wee bit confused. It could be that I am actually going to the Telestial Kingdom because I haven't actually denied anything I've felt before...I just interpret it differently than the LDS church would have me interpret my expereinces.

Ex-Mormon's are going to outer-darkness because they deny what they felt as members. They just can't leave the church alone!

That is what I learned. Oh, and that pretty much you have to be perfect to go to the CK.

What a bunch of dummies.

H.

[_sock puppet]

Today at church we talked about The Judgement (yes, capital letters, folks). This was the Relief Society/P lesson.

So, basically, "ex-Mormons" are going to outer-darkness.

But, I was a wee bit confused. It could be that I am actually going to the Telestial Kingdom because I haven't actually denied anything I've felt before...I just interpret it differently than the LDS church would have me interpret my expereinces.

Ex-Mormon's are going to outer-darkness because they deny what they felt as members. They just can't leave the church alone!

That is what I learned. Oh, and that pretty much you have to be perfect to go to the CK.

Wow. That is quite a different interpretation of Outer Darkness than I've ever heard before. In everything I've read, and in all the times this was discussed when I was at church, the realm of Outer Darkness was associated with a very specific and drastic sin, that of denying the Holy Ghost.

Furthermore, it was always stressed that this was something completely different from leaving the church or losing your testimony or anything else. In other words it was not about just "denying" what you felt as a member, but an extreme kind of "denial" premised on a spiritual encounter beyond the experience of most people. Denying the Holy Ghost was not just something one could do by accident or omission, or by simply saying "I deny the holy ghost" or "the church isn't true." That was why the number of souls cast into Outer Darkness would be so few (the phrase I associate with the lessons I heard at church was "they can be counted on the fingers of one hand.")

I think your Relief Society teacher overstepped herself and taught a concept that is not actually a part of Mormon belief.

But maybe I'm wrong and Outer Darkness has recently been re-zoned.

Blixa, the Church is upping the ante. Maybe its hemorrhaging too many members, and they need to scare people into staying and not apostatizing.

It's in line with Mitt Romney asking Rick Perry to be $10,000 last night. Upping the stakes and all.

[_Shulem]

Jesus H Christ -- Mormon doctrine is all about placing fear into the hearts of its members and threatening them with utter hell. Ooooh, I'm sooooooo scared. Trick or treat!

I'll be living it up in Outer Darkness -- having parties and loving my fellow men -- having sex with them with my Ken-shaped smooth crotch. Be sure to come on down and visit me. I'll give you flowers and we can talk Jesus.

LOL!

Paul O

[_LDSToronto]

Here's what Joseph Fielding Smith had to say about the sons of perdition:

All who partake of this, the greatest of sins, sell themselves as did Cain to Lucifer. They learn to hate the truth with an eternal hatred, and they learn to love wickedness. They reach a condition where they cannot repent. The spirit of murder fills their hearts and they would, if they had the power, crucify our Lord again, which they virtually do by fighting his work and seeking to destroy it and his prophets. …

“Before a man can sink to this bitterness of soul, he must first know and understand the truth with a clearness of vision wherein there is no doubt. The Change of heart does not come all at once, but is due to transgression in some form, which continues to lurk in the soul without repentance, until the Holy Ghost withdraws, and then that man is left to spiritual darkness. Sin begets sin; the darkness grows until the love of truth turns to hatred, and the love of God is overcome by the wicked desire to destroy all that is just and true. In this way Christ is put to open shame, and blasphemy exalted.

“How fortunate it is that in the mercy of God there will be comparatively few who will partake of this awful misery and eternal darkness.

[_Shulem]

Here's what Joseph Fielding Smith had to say about the sons of perdition:

That was Joseph Fielding Smith's opinion so it doesn't count. The Relief Society sister in 2011 Trump's him.

Paul O