I learned where I am going today

[_Doctor Scratch]

Just Me

Today you were taught false doctrine.

According to whom? You? This is a teaching that has been floating around for a while. It's one doctrine among many that the Brethren won't clarify. Clearly, as JM's OP demonstrates, there are Church members that believe this is true. Beastie has done posts in the past showing very clearly that the Church has tried very strenuously to demonize "apostates." I guess I might see how you would call this "false doctrine" in a more general, "legitimately true" sense, but to claim that this is false per the LDS Church... I just don't see how you've got the authority to do that.

[_Drifting]

Today at church we talked about The Judgement (yes, capital letters, folks). This was the Relief Society/P lesson.

So, basically, "ex-Mormons" are going to outer-darkness.

But, I was a wee bit confused. It could be that I am actually going to the Telestial Kingdom because I haven't actually denied anything I've felt before...I just interpret it differently than the LDS church would have me interpret my expereinces.

Ex-Mormon's are going to outer-darkness because they deny what they felt as members. They just can't leave the church alone!

That is what I learned. Oh, and that pretty much you have to be perfect to go to the CK.

This is another good reason for not joining the Church until the next life. In fact, when you think about it, there is really no good reason for joining the Church in this life whatsoever, and no eternal downside if you don't...

[_Buffalo]

Here's what Joseph Fielding Smith had to say about the sons of perdition:

All who partake of this, the greatest of sins, sell themselves as did Cain to Lucifer. They learn to hate the truth with an eternal hatred, and they learn to love wickedness. They reach a condition where they cannot repent. The spirit of murder fills their hearts and they would, if they had the power, crucify our Lord again, which they virtually do by fighting his work and seeking to destroy it and his prophets. …

“Before a man can sink to this bitterness of soul, he must first know and understand the truth with a clearness of vision wherein there is no doubt. The Change of heart does not come all at once, but is due to transgression in some form, which continues to lurk in the soul without repentance, until the Holy Ghost withdraws, and then that man is left to spiritual darkness. Sin begets sin; the darkness grows until the love of truth turns to hatred, and the love of God is overcome by the wicked desire to destroy all that is just and true. In this way Christ is put to open shame, and blasphemy exalted.

“How fortunate it is that in the mercy of God there will be comparatively few who will partake of this awful misery and eternal darkness.

Ah well, we all know that old prophets, especially JFS, were always speaking as men, apparently.

[_Buffalo]

Today at church we talked about The Judgement (yes, capital letters, folks). This was the Relief Society/P lesson.

So, basically, "ex-Mormons" are going to outer-darkness.

But, I was a wee bit confused. It could be that I am actually going to the Telestial Kingdom because I haven't actually denied anything I've felt before...I just interpret it differently than the LDS church would have me interpret my expereinces.

Ex-Mormon's are going to outer-darkness because they deny what they felt as members. They just can't leave the church alone!

That is what I learned. Oh, and that pretty much you have to be perfect to go to the CK.

This is another good reason for not joining the Church until the next life. In fact, when you think about it, there is really no good reason for joining the Church in this life whatsoever, and no eternal downside if you don't...

Indeed. Not joining the church now will result in a happier, more fulfilling life. And then some poor, overburdened, overtithed Mormon will be baptized for you, and presto, you're in like Flynn.

[_Equality]

So, basically, "ex-Mormons" are going to outer-darkness.

Nope. We don't teach that.

So, you're calling the OP a liar? She said she was taught it in church this week. And you come on here and say it's not taught? Or by "we" are you not referring to people teaching in the LDS church, which is where the OP was when she was taught it?

[_LDS truthseeker]

As Billy Joel said "I would rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints".

[_Equality]

This is what the Gospel Principles manual says about Outer Darkness:

These are they who had testimonies of Jesus through the Holy Ghost and knew the power of the Lord but allowed Satan to overcome them. They denied the truth and defied the power of the Lord. There is no forgiveness for them, for they denied the Holy Spirit after having received it. They will not have a kingdom of glory. They will live in eternal darkness, torment, and misery with Satan and his angels forever. (See D&C 76:28–35, 44–48.)

Note there is no mention of needing to see God or Jesus. Or to have a perfect knowledge. Just garden-variety "testimonies of Jesus through the Holy Ghost" and knowing "the power of the Lord." Maybe the members who read this are getting the wrong idea in concluding that all ex-Mormons who once bore testimony of Jesus and Mormonism are bound for OD, but can you blame them for getting that idea? It would be easy for the manual to include some of the quotes listed here in previous posts about how the numbers of people bound for OD are actually very few. Previous manuals did include such quotes. But this one doesn't. So, it appears that once again, Simon Belmont doesn't know what he's talking about. The church does teach that your garden-variety ex-Mo is bound for OD. Maybe the church didn't use to teach that, but it does now.

Of the Telestial kingdom, the manual says:

These people did not receive the gospel or the testimony of Jesus either on earth or in the spirit world. They will suffer for their own sins in hell until after the Millennium, when they will be resurrected.

Note there is no mention of people who accepted the gospel and then turned away. No, the telestial is for those who never accepted it. Which leaves only OD for the ex-Mormon.

[_Jason Bourne]

Jesus makes you perfect if you show you're willing. If you reject His Church, you're not willing.

THAT is balderdash. On both counts.

Jesus makes you perfect through faith, repentance and, at least based on LDS Doctrine, entering into a covenant relationship with Him through baptism and gift of the holy ghost. I guess since the LDS Church mandates baptism by one having authority BC is correct as far as LDS doctrine is concerned.

[_Yoda]

So, basically, "ex-Mormons" are going to outer-darkness.

Nope. We don't teach that.

Well..it is not supposed to be taught. Obviously, it was.

[_Buffalo]

Actually, however, so long as you were married in the temple, per D&C 132 you are guaranteed a spot in the Celestial Kingdom, after some Satanic buffeting (maybe attending a Slayer concert?).